Please help: who was living with William and Joseph Armory, Willington in 51/61?

[alllegs]

Hi all,

I would be really greatful if someone could help me out with Joseph Armory.  I recieved his marriage certificate today, and there is nothing written in the boxes for his father.  I rang the Durham Record Office to double check and they said it was blank on the original.  Would anyone be able to have a look at the 1871 census for Willington for me to see if there is a possible match for my Joseph.

From his marriage certificate I know he was married in Durham Registry Office on January 19th 1878.  He was 20 years old so I anticipate a birth year of 1858 (ish).  He married Mary Jane Dixon.  They both lived in Willington at the time of the marriage and his was a cartwright.

Any help with Joseph would be fantastic.

Thank you in anticipation
Legs
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[C P Rayson]

Hi Legs

on the Durham BMD site

http://www.durham.gov.uk/DurhamCC/usp.nsf/pws/Registrar+-+purchase+of+registration+certificates

There are 2 joseph Armory's listed 1857 and 1858

Hope this helps

Lacie

[alllegs]

Thank you Lacie,

Any idea's how to work out which one is mine??!!   

I've just looked at the link you posted - Does area of Western Durham cover Willington??  I'm really not up on my Geography of Durham!!

Legs
xxxx

[C P Rayson]

Hi Legs

Sadly my georaphy isn't that good

I have had a look at the listing for Durham Western and it covers Bishop Auckland and that is only a few miles from Willington and also Crook which is just to the west of Willington
so I think it is a good bet

As to which one is yours, sadly no idea other than supply as much information as you know and ask for both to be checked

Happy hunting

Lacie

[alllegs]

Thanks again Lacie,

I have just emailed Durham asking if they could maybe search for an early death of a Joseph or another marriage (I can't find either on that website) to see if they could cross reference the fathers and work out which is mine.

Hopefully that will help.

Thanks again
Love
Legs
xxxxx

[ec]

I think the clue is in the 1891 census entry for Joseph. 

Armey, Joseph 32 Frosterley, Durham Head  Willington  Durham   
Armey, Joseph H 12 Willington, Durham Son  Willington  Durham   
Armey, Clara A 10 Willington, Durham Daughter  Willington  Durham   
Armey, Mary E 8 Willington, Durham Daughter  Willington  Durham   
Armey, William 6 Willington, Durham Son  Willington  Durham   
Armey, Edith 4 Willington, Durham Daughter  Willington  Durham   
Armey, George 2 Willington, Durham Son  Willington  Durham   
Simpson, Margret J 23 Frosterley, Durham Sister  Willington  Durham 

If you look in 1881

Bridge End
Stanhope, Durham, England
RG11/4938 Folio 134 Page 21

Henry SIMPSON   Head   M   Male   43   Stanhope, Durham,    Platelayer     
Ann SIMPSON   Wife   M   Female   47   Bp Auckland, Durham,       
William SIMPSON   Son   U   Male   17   Stanhope, Durham,   Platelayers Son     
Henry SIMPSON   Son   U   Male   15   Stanhope, Durham,    Platelayers Son     
Margaret J. SIMPSON   Daur   U   Female   13   Stanhope, Durham,    Scholar     
Elizabeth SIMPSON   Daur   U   Female   8   Stanhope, Durham,   Scholar 
 
 BMD

1864 Henry Simpson married Ann Armory

[ec]

I think this is him in 1871 with Grandfather.  I am guessing that Ann Armory was the daughter of William (81) here.  Had Joseph illegitimately (and possibly George is also her child).  Then married Henry Simpson in 1864, but left Joseph with her family.

I think you need to try and get an 1861 look up to check this out - sorry I cant do that.

RG10/4961 Folio 87 Page 3
Brandon and Byshottles 
Hill House and West Brandon 


William Armory 81  Hamsterley, Durham, Head  Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   
John Armory 44  Hamsterley, Durham,  Son  Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   
William Armory 42  Hamsterley, Durham,  Son  Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   
Mary Armory 26  Hamsterley, Durham, Daughter  Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   
Joseph Armory 12  Stanhope, Durham, Grandson Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   
George Armory 10  Stanhope, Durham,  Grandson  Brandon and Byshottles  Durham   

[alllegs]

WOW,

Thank you so much, I'm a little confused however.

Where did Ann Armory come from?  Is she Joseph (sn)'s sister?  

I'm also assuming that Joseph's wife (Mary Jane)had died prior to the the 91 census.

Would the fact that Jospeh was 32 in 1891 point me towards the 1858 birth certificate in order to locate his parents?

Also the spelling is interesting, perhaps thays why I've struggled finding any info on the family.

Thanks again
Legs
xxxx

[ec]

Hi Legs

It is a bit confusing.  I'll try and explain

In 1891 Joseph (born c. 1858) is living with his children and someone described as his SISTER, Margaret J SIMPSON.  As we know he was probably illegitimate due to lack of father on his marriage cert, one would possibly guess that Margaret J SIMPSON is actually his half sister, his mother having married a SIMPSON man, after he was born.

So, I looked for Margaret J SIMPSON in 1881 and found her with mother Ann SIMPSON and father Henry, plus other siblings - oldest child 17 which points to a maariage before 1865.  I looked on the Durham BMD site for marriages of Henry SIMPSON and found one marrying Ann Armory in 1864.

Looking on 1871, the only possible I found for Joseph was as Grandson to William age 81.  Sorry - I missed it from the transcription, but none of the sons or daughters of William are married in 1871.  Ann SIMPSON (nee Armory) would have been 37 in 1871, so fits as a possible other child to William.  That bit is just a hunch, thats why I am suggesting a 1861 look up to check.  I will have a look for the SIMPSON family in 1871 and see if there are any other clues there in a minute.

Ann ARMORY, I think is William ARMORY s daughter.

Couldn't find Josephs wife in 1891, but I am not sure she was already dead as he is listed as married. 

I don't think you are going to find out Josephs father from his birth cert if he was illegitimate.  I would guess, though that his mother is Ann ARMORY - you'd have to check though.

Hope this helps.  I'll see if I can find any other clues