CAREY & McDONALD, double brick wall

[TonyRolfe]

I'm hoping someone may be able to suggest ways to break down this wall.

William CAREY and Ellen McDONALD married on 19th October 1856, in Wigan.  His father was shown as Patrick, deceased, a hand loom weaver and her father was Archibald, a tin plate worker.  William was also shown as a hand loom weaver.

I have traced the family on censuses from 1861 to 1881. William was born in 1833, Wigan and Ellen 1838, Co Longford, Ireland.

However, I have been unable to find any trace of either family prior to their marriage.

Ellen does not appear on the 1851 census in any recognisable form, which may be because she arrived from Ireland after 1851.   Also, there is no Archibald who looks at all likely.  Again, he may never have left Ireland in the first place.  Was it likely for a young girl to come to England from Ireland without her parents?  She would only have been 13 in 1851 and was 19 when she married.

William and Patrick should be there, somewhere, but I can't find them.  There is one Patrick Carey on the 1841 & 1851 censuses, but he doesn't have a child William and is also alive on the 1861 census, so that isn't him.

I have found two possible deaths for Patrick CAREY on FreeBMD 

As far as I can tell, the only William of that age, living with father Patrick, in Wigan is William LYNCH, a cotton weaver, with father Patrick, also a cotton weaver.  The family appears on both the 1841 and 1851 censuses and the name is clearly written as LYNCH in both cases.

Neither William nor Patrick LYNCH appear in the 1861 census and I can't find a death for either of them.  I've had a look at Wigan PR's, as well as I can from here, and can't find any reference to his birth or christening so I am left with a nagging suspicion that maybe, somehow, the LYNCH family changed their name to CAREY.   Is that at all likely?   Is there any way to trace such a thing?

Any suggestions or assistance will be gratefully received

Thanks in advance

Tony

[carol-f]

i have a Patrick Carey born abt 1833 from england don't know alot about him be he was transported to tasmania as a convict in 1850 there was also a william carey on th same boat. patrick was native of dublin and was charged of the crime of "pickpocket.

[dotty]

This may relate to the Patrick Carey QSP/3328/48  held at the LRO.

Dotty

[TonyRolfe]

This may relate to the Patrick Carey QSP/3328/48  held at the LRO.

Assuming you are right, Dotty, how would I get access to this material and would it be possible to find out whether it was my Patrick before paying for it?

[dotty]

Hi Tony
It would be very hard to prove.I am going to the Records Office on Tuesday I will look at the record and see what it says for you if you want.

Dotty

[dotty]

On the Free BMD Death for Patrick Carey 1853 Wigan,also two deaths in 1855  be worth considering for Patrick Carney

Dotty

[TonyRolfe]

It would be very hard to prove.I am going to the Records Office on Tuesday I will look at the record and see what it says for you if you want.

That would be very kind of you, Dotty.    It's a bit of trip from NSW to Lancashire 

Thanks

Tony

[uk2003]

Tony

Now you have re-sparked my hunt for the same people and brickwalls to climb 

Just come across this Ellen Mc Donald in the 1851 census HO107; Piece: 2263; Folio: 174; Page: 6 in Chorley. age given as 16 (abt 1835) "what do you think"

Chorley & Wigan are not that far apart even in them days

Not checked the 1861 yet for that family "football about to start" 

Regards
Ken

[TonyRolfe]

Hi, Ken

She could be that one.  There's a few born in Ireland and living in Lancs.

Not really ready to choose her yet 

Cheers

Tony