cherry island/mitcham gypsies

[berri]

Hi

Does anyone know any thing about cherry Island? Pos West Ham. Rachel Deacon our G grandmother was born there. We know that she married Sampson smith aka old England. What about Bill bailey? Anyone heard of him?

Other names include:- Abraham aka Jack/Thunder smith
                                    Noha aka Ben smith
                                    George aka Feathers
                                     Bill patterson
                                     wrighty (unsure of spelling)
                                     deana (unsure of spelling)
                                      Jesse Smith
                                      Edward smith.
This lot were mitcham travellers.
Also family story....were the Deacons living in Ireland at some point?
All Help greatfully received!!!!!

[CaroleW]

Hi

Can you fill in some dates please?

Rachel Deacon our G grandmother was born there

  When?

We know that she married Sampson smith aka old England

  When?

[berri]

rachel deacon born 1872 cherry Island. Sampson aka old england born 1868 croydon. according to 1911 census.

Does this help?

[Manchester Rambler]

Cherry Island, West Ham was apparently home to a gypsy camp, according to an article about West Ham in a book quoted here: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42748

"Building continued steadily throughout the 1860s. The southern portion of the Upton 'Manor' estate, including Pelly Road, was being developed in 1866. (fn. 103) At the same time Canning Town was spreading eastwards. Among developments there were Hudson's estate, including Hudson's Road, and Ireland's estate, including Denmark Street. (fn. 104) Near those was Cherry Island, a small market-garden partly surrounded by marsh ditches. (fn. 105) There, about 1868, a speculator laid out Edwin, Bradley, and Thomas Streets, and built a number of squalid cottages which were a nuisance to the local board for many years. (fn. 106) Cherry Island was also a resort of gipsies, whose clean and orderly camp compared favourably with the cottages."

Rambler

[berri]

dear rambler.

thanks for that info. will follow it up.

berri

[les_looking]

Cherry island 1881 census, as you can see they were in tents
so should give you an idea of the amount there

Tents, Cherry Island,  West Ham, Essex
William LEE M 30  M  Head Hawker
Martha LEE M 24  F  Wife
Rebecca LEE   8  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
Jane LEE   5  F Plaistow, Essex, Dau
Betsy LEE   2  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
*
 Moses SHAW M 28  M Gerton, Cambridge,  Head Dock Lab
Annie SHAW M 30  F Huyton, Cambridge,  Wife
Jemima SHAW   6  F Plaistow, Essex, Dau
*
John BUCKLEY W 62  M Barking, Essex,  Head Hawker
Anne SHAW W 63  F Cottered, Hertford,  Head Hawker
Jesse SHAW U 27  M Harlow, Essex, Son Hawker
Arthur SHAW   15  M Sawbridgeworth, Essex,  Granson Gen Lab
*
John COLGCUT M 25  M  Head Tinker
Louisa COLGCUT M 24  F Wife
Farrance COLGCUT   7  M Plaistow, Essex,  Son
Samson COLGCUT   5  M Plaistow, Essex, Son
Alog COLGCUT   4  F Plaistow, Essex, Dau
John COLGCUT   2  M Plaistow, Essex,  Son
Matilda COLGCUT   5 m F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
*
Noah SHAW M 21  M Plaistow, Essex, Head Dock Lab
Britannia SHAW M 19  F Stepney, Middlesex, Wife Hawker
*
Walter SMITH M 22  M  Head Dock Lab
Nancy SMITH M 20  F Dover, Kent,  Wife Hawker
Fanny SMITH   3  F Hackney, Middlesex,  Dau
Walter SMITH   1  M Tottenham, Middlesex,  Son
*
Alfred LEE M 30  M Stratford, Essex,  Head Dock Lab
Barbara LEE M 28  F Stratford, Essex, Wife Hawker
Sophia LEE   4  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
Alfred LEE   3 w M Plaistow, Essex, Son
*
Daniel LEE W 60  M  Head Hawker
Mary WILLIAMS W 50  F Norwich, Norfolk,  Head Chaircaner
*
Horace HODLEY M 40  M Plaistow, Essex,  Head Dock Lab
Aurelia HODLEY M 28  F Plaistow, Essex, Wife Hawker
Cecelia HODLEY   8  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
Horace HODLEY   6  M Plaistow, Essex, Son
Within HODLEY   2  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
William HODLEY   3 m M Plaistow, Essex, Son
*
Martin DEE U 20  M Whitechapel, Middlesex, Head Hawker
Samuel JAMES   17  M Tottenham, Middlesex, Boarder Dock Lab
*
Aaron SHAW M 31  M Saffron Waldon, Essex,  Head Hawker
Sarah SHAW M 28  F Cuddington, Oxford, Wife
Anne SHAW   8  F Plaistow, Essex, Dau
Emily SHAW   6  F Plaistow, Essex,  Dau
Aaron SHAW   3 m M Plaistow, Essex,  Son
*
John BALL M 27  M  Head Hawker
Britannia BALL M 23  F Kingston, Surrey,  Wife Hawker
*
Sophia SMITH W 55  F Luton, Bedford,  Head Hawker
Ann SHAW U 20  F Colney Hatch, Middlesex, Dau Hawker
Clara SHAW U 19  F Longheath, Stafford,  Dau Hawker
Jesse SHAW   10  M Plaistow, Essex, Grandson Hawker
Lizzie SHAW   8  F Plaistow, Essex, Grand Dau Hawker
*
William SCHOLING M 28  M Raine, Essex, Head Dock Lab
Rose HEDGES   26  F Onger, Essex,  Housekeeper
Selina HEDGES   3  F Plaistow, Essex, Visitor

[Sandra S]

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[ScallyW]

@ Sandra S

Well, your G-grandmother was 1st cousin to my grandfather so that must make us some sort of cousin.  I can claim two of the other families living there as well. 

My memories of Canning Town reflect yours very much, I had a lot of family who lived in the area all their life and frequented Kent, mainly a village called Yalding, for hop-picking in the summer.  For all that my ancestors will have originated from Gods knows where, I've always thought of Canning Town as the main base area for the recent generations.

[Sandra S]

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