Annie Dowler, Hulme, late 19c

[Louisamay]

Hi Karl,

I think you'll  find Helen's birth listed under Ellen Hardy. There are two births, 1891 Chorlton and 1892 Salford.
She appears as Ellen on 1911 census.


Louisamay

[Mr. MIGKY]

There is this death but the area is wrong

Deaths December qtr 1900 
 
Annie Dowler aged 31  Prestwich  8d 294

There is no Annie Dowler in that age range on the 1891 census and no marriage of a Dowler to an Annie between 1888-1900

There is no Annie Hardy death in the Chorlton area 1896-1901 that is young enough 

CaroleW, you may not be wrong on this lady as this one died in the poorhouse. So she still could be the right lady?

Buried in Phillips park cemetery.
Roman Catholic section.
Grave number: i 144
This is a paupers/common grave.
Migky

[lizdb]

1881
RG11 3935 84 7
has 2 Annie Dowlers on it in Manchester area , one age 24 and one age 3
so by James's birth in 1896 they would be 39 and 18, so either could potentially be his mother.

Although as we have never found her on a census, we do not know when or where she was born - could be anywhere! All we know is she was in John Wood Street in 1896 and was of childbearing age at that time.

[patrish]

Think you might be onto something Migky with the Roman Catholic connection

Also, they are recorded as his parents in St. Wilfrid's R.C. Parish records as a note on his marriage record in 1923 to Sarah Ross.

The R.C,s were champion at covering up any illegitimacy ,maybe that's whats happened here as Karl cannot find a marriage for Annie and Wm.