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Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« on: Sunday 21 March 10 08:58 GMT (UK) »
John Harold Austin was born on 23 April 1893 in St Petersburg/Petrograd, Russia where his father James Austin managed a calico print works. Sometime between 1904 and 1911  the family relocated to Cheshire, England where they lived in Clarendon Road, Newton, Hyde.  There John trained as an accountant.

On 1 April 1914 he sailed from Liverpool to Philadelphia on the SS Merion to join his friend E J Dyson in Frankford, PA.

His 1917 draft registration shows him residing in Penn Street, Frankford and working as a cost accountant with Barrett Chemical.

In that year he married Isabel Armstrong in Philadelphia.

In the 1920 census he is in Philadelphia  with wife Isabel 19 and daughter Doris aged 1. At the same address are Isabel Armstrong aged 80 (his wife’s grandmother  ?) and her daughter Margaret Thompson aged 42, both born Ireland.

By the time of the 1930 census, John is no longer around. It has been suggested that he may have been killed in a motor accident in the 1920’s. (Can anyone find a death record?)

Doris appears to be listed twice in the 1930 census.

There is a Doris M Austin aged 11, father born Russia, mother PA, listed as a niece-in-law in the household of Frank M Davenport in Philadelphia  . Frank has a wife Sarah born PA circa 1906 with an Irish father. Frank and Sarah were married circa 1925 per the census. Presumably Sarah is Isabel’s sister – can anyone find them in the 1910 census?

There is a also a Doris Austin (12) in the household of Daniel and Isabela Simpson, also in Philadelphia . Isabela was 29 and had first married at the age of 17 so this looks to be John H’s widow. There are other Austin children listed: John H Austin 11, and George 8. Daniel was aged 28 and first married at 21, and there are three Simpson children shown, eldest aged 7, so it looks like a remarriage for Isabel to Daniel in 1922/3.

This John Harold Austin, “son of Mr & Mrs Daniel Simpson” of Philadelphia,   was killed in a kamikaze attack on USS Bennett off Okinawa in 1945. A relative has posted a photo of him. http://bobrosssr.tripod.com/473contrib.html and he looks very like another member of our Russia/Cheshire Austin family

Can anyone help me tie this together? I need to find a marriage for Daniel and Isabela Simpson circa 1922/3, and/or the birth details of  John Harold Austin in PA circa 1920. Where to look? 
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:29 GMT (UK) »
1910 Pennsylvania Miracode Entry. Philadelphia

Isabella Arrontron born 1840 Ireland, Age 70 years.  with the following family:-

William George 40 Ireland  Son
Margaret Thomson 34 Ireland Daughter
William R 12 Pennsylvania Grandson
James I Armstrong 28 Ireland Don
Saddie 4 years Pennsylvania
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:33 GMT (UK) »
1910 Philadelphia Ward 36, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Isabella Armstrong 70 Immigrated 1887
William George 40
Margret Townson 34 Daughter (Thompson)
William R Townson 12 Grandson born Philadelphia
James J Armstrong 28 Immigrated 1887
Saddie Armstrong 4 Adopted Child.
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for those, Dettori28

"Saddie" could be the girl who married Frank Davenport - she's the right age
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:38 GMT (UK) »
1900 Census Philadelphia Ward 36, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Isabella Armstrong 54 Had 6 children. 5 survive. Widow. Immigrated 1883
George Armstrong 30 Son. Immigrated 1883
James Armstrong 21 Immigrated 1883
Samuel Armstrong 16
William Thomson 27 Son-In-Law
Margaret Thomson 24 Immigrated 1883 Had 2 children. 2 survive.
William Thomson 2
George Thomson 2 months old.
John Obrien 48 Boarder
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:42 GMT (UK) »
I think I may have found Isabel in 1910, also in Ward 36 :


Charles Amstrong 32 born Ireland came to US 1883
Elizabeth 27
Isabella   9
James 7
Charle 1/12
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:59 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if Charles may have married twice, a similar one appears in 1900 Ward 36.

Charles Armstrong 22 Married 1899. Immigrated 1883. Teamster
Anna M Armstrong 19
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Re: Philadelphia - John Harold Austin x2 - are they father and son?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 March 10 11:07 GMT (UK) »
Charles Armstrong born 22 Feb 1878 married Elizabeth Mc Cormack. Elizabeth born 25 Jun 1882 in Philadelphia Died 14 Jul 1957. (No source)
Charles  Died 10 Oct 1956 (No source)
Elizabeth daughter of Michael McCormack 1835 Ireland and Marie Dunne Jul 1839
in Killeenmore, Killeigh, Kings County, Ireland.

Elizabeth was a classical pianist. Charles a blacksmith. 
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 March 10 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Rootsweb World Connect has entries here:-

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

or look under Charles Armstrong 1910 Pennsylvania
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