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Offline Lynne EnZed

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 20 March 10 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie

Got you re James son of James and Jane born Gateshead in 1841/1851 - not mine as you say!

Would certainly be interested if you could find James in 1851 (from the workhouse in 1841) - possibly born Wooler or thereabouts.

I'm trying to confirm or rule out the christenings at Wooler for Jane (1830) and James (1832).

My ancestor is Jane AINSLEY/AYNSLEY who was born in North Sunderland, Northumberland, which is not far from Wooler.

I have Jane from 1851 (working as a servant aged 19) to 1891 (she died in 1893) and am trying to find her in 1841 with her family.

Jane married Robert DIXON in 1858 but am not able to buy the certificate at this time.

The entry you found in Newcastle with the SMITH family is interesting. If my Jane is not the sister of James then she does appear to have lost her family (as well) by 1841.

Hope this explains things?

Thanks again!

Lynne x

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 20 March 10 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Possible James for 1851

HO107 Piece 2420, Folio 138, Page 10

Living North Sunderland

James Lutch (or Leitch), Head, Mar, 39, Berwick on Tweed, tailor (master)
Margaret Lutch, Wife, 48, Scotland
John, son, 14, Carlisle, Scholar
Dorothy, dau, 12, Bamburgh
Ellen, dau, 8, Bamburgh
James Ansley, servant, 19, Wooler, App to tailor

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Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 March 10 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie

Sorry for the delay. Thank you very much for the 1851 record for James - definitely looks like him! Another spelling variation as well!

Now, how to prove he is the brother of my Jane?

Will see if someone can help with burials to find out what might have happened to the rest of the family.  :P

Thanks for your help!

Lynne x

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 March 10 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Burial Wooler:  Jane Aynsley 25 Aug 1819, Wooler, no age

Janis
Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #13 on: Monday 22 March 10 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Burial Wooler:  Jane Aynsley 25 Aug 1819, Wooler, no age

Janis

Thank you Janis, possibly an earlier ancestor, were there any burials after about 1834 at all?

Do you happen to have transcripts for Tynemouth marriages 1858 Q2 for Jane Aynsley and Robert Dixon please?

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Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 March 10 15:45 GMT (UK) »
That was the only Aynsley in Wooler and I also checked North Sunderland.  Sorry no transcript of anything that late.

Janis
Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #15 on: Monday 22 March 10 16:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janis and Evie

Thank you both for your interest!

James and Jane were definitely on their own by 1841 so what became of their family/ies?  ???

Looks like this branch of our family tree will have to go back on the backburner again for now?!

Thanks again for your help tho' ~ have made a little progress!!!  :D

Lynne xx

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ROGERSON Nth Middleton NBL
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SMITH Tweedmouth, Haydon NBL, Keswick CUL
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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #16 on: Monday 22 March 10 17:38 GMT (UK) »
You are welcome, sorry we didn't get it sorted.

Hope I am not going to confuse you here but.....

One thing that is niggling me - in the census where Jane is married to Robert (if I have been looking at the correct ones) she keeps to Allendale or Allenhead as her place of birth. In addition, of the census I have seen, not one of their sons is called William. I know there is no hard and fast rule, but quite often the grandfather's name is used.

Was she the family that ended up in Westmorland with a child called Jonathan Shield Dixon? I have been looking at Shields from Allendale lately and they were Quakers. Some of mine were baptised as an adult before they were married in a C of E church.

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Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: 1841 Census Northumberland - AINSLEY
« Reply #17 on: Monday 22 March 10 23:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie

Thanks for that, your help is much appreciated!

No, that is not the right family in Westmorland!  ::)

Jane was pretty consistent giving her birthplace as North Sunderland, Northumberland (1851, 1861, 1891) but in 1871 it is just Northumberland and in 1881 it was Sunderland, Durham (Jane and the younger children were living in Horsley, Ovingham and Robert and eldest dau Dorothy were visiting relatives in Jarrow).

What varied was her age - born anywhere from 1830-1835. Her husband Robert Joseph DIXON was several years younger (born 1838 in Longframlington, s/o John DIXON and Dorothy nee REED).

Jane and Robert DIXON's children were:

Dorothy born 1858 Annitsford, Northumberland (my ancestor)
John born 1860 Annitsford
William born 1862 Annitsford
Mary Jane born abt 1864 Annitsford
Isabel born abt 1866 Annitsford
Robert born abt 1867 Annitsford
Nicholas born 1871 Ryhope, Durham
Margaret Ann born 1875 Horsley, Northumberland
John Joseph born 1877 Horsley
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It is possible it is the wrong family in Wooler with the births and christenings for Jane 1830, James 1832 and Margaret 1834 to parents William and Jane but there is no other match for Jane in the right time period and general location. The IGI is not complete, of course, which is why I put the query in the hope of either confirming or eliminating this family. I've now heard from someone who has access to the records for the Wooler Presbyterian Church and she says the children of William and Jane were born at Lilburn Grange, Wooler.

I obtained the various census records 1851-1891 some time ago but do not now have a subscription to A ncestry and had then put the family on the back burner. I only had a "best guess" at that time that Jane's surname was AINSLEY/AYNSLEY as she was the only one who came up in 1851 (aged 19, working as a servant in Cartington, Nbl) as having been born in North Sunderland. (I think the 1851 index at A ncestry has her age as 29 but the image looks like 19.)

It was only this weekend that I decided to revisit FreeBMD and see if the marriage to Robert DIXON had been transcribed (marriage records for the late 1850's have been incomplete) and found Jane AYNSLEY on the same page as Robert DIXON marrying just a few months before Dorothy's birth (cannot buy certificates for now).

When I tried to check there were no other AINSLEY's or variations coming up on the censuses in the time period of Jane's approximate birth (to be her siblings) so began to wonder if she had got it wrong and decided to take a look at the Wooler family ~ turned out not to be as easy as it first appeared!!  :o

I would say, giving the children's names, that William is a strong possibility for Jane's Dad's name but not sure about her Mum as Isabella could also be a possibility rather than Jane.

[The name Nicholas comes from Robert Joseph DIXON's maternal Grandfather Nicholas REED.]

However, even knowing for sure if William is the name of Jane's Dad is not really going to help at the moment as there appears to be only the one match in 1841 that you found for Jane with Jane SMITH (widow) in Newcastle.

They may not have been in Newcastle long though as checking FreeBMD for a birth for 6-month old Isabella SMITH there is only one possibility in Belford registration district (which includes North Sunderland). Isabella's christening is not on the IGI either. Trying to follow up on the SMITH family in case there is a connection has also drawn blanks.

Burials for the Wooler family would be nice to rule them out completely as it appears that only James (1832) survived and he was in the workhouse as you found in 1841.

There appear to have been no other AINSLEY/AYNSLEY children in 1851 born circa Jane's birth so was she too the only survivor of her family?

So, that's the current situation in a [rather large] nutshell!  :D

Thanks again for your interest and findings!

Lynne x

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GAIR Newburn NBL
KILGOUR Perth SCO, Nth Shields NBL
MOULD Washington DUR, Nth Shields NBL
MUSGROVE Newburn NBL
OLIVER Sth Shields DUR
ROBSON (1) Elsdon (2) Newburn NBL
ROGERSON Nth Middleton NBL
RUTTER (1) Newburn (2) Stamfordham NBL
SMITH Tweedmouth, Haydon NBL, Keswick CUL
STANLEY Keswick CUL
WHINHAM Otterburn NBL