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Birth Certificate: Adopted
« on: Friday 19 March 10 16:58 GMT (UK) »
This is probably a silly question, but if someone was adopted would it be noted on the original certificate  ???

The word ADOPTED has been added outside  the box with all the other details in and signed T.R.Holmes Watkins, Superintendent Registrar.


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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 March 10 18:01 GMT (UK) »
It is like that on mine from 1942. My adopted mother was given a 'certified copy of an entry in the Adopted Children Register' a month aafter the official adoption went through.
She then obtained  a 'short certificate' which just gives name , sex and date of birth so that I would not have to show other people.

The 'adopted' certificate gives name of adopter plus date of adoption and description of Court that made the order.

I also have a copy of the Adoption Order which gives name and address of both mothers. Does not give any details as to why the adoption took place.

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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 March 10 18:05 GMT (UK) »
This is probably a silly question, but if someone was adopted would it be noted on the original certificate  ???

The word ADOPTED has been added outside  the box with all the other details in and signed T.R.Holmes Watkins, Superintendent Registrar.


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Yes, I've seen a birth certificate (from the 1960s), for a child subsequently adopted, on which the same annotation has been made in the far right margin of the certificate.
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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 March 10 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Jean and avm228.

If only they added a year of adoption. I am wondering now if his mothers new husband adopted him four years later because for certain this child was around his real family in the 1940's

This is the most interesting family I have come across. No doubt there has been lot's of heartaches for them over the years, as bit by bit I try to unravel the real story :-\

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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 March 10 10:19 BST (UK) »
I have exactly the same issue.

My fathers original birth certificate before he was adopted in 1947 says on the bottom left ADOPTED and is signed by a registrar, does this mean his birth mother was wanting him adopted as soon as he was born or that she intended to have him adopted not long after?  we know he was adopted 3 years after his birth in 1944, was there some 'waiting period' before children were adopted?

Thanks for any advice




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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 March 10 11:04 BST (UK) »
I have exactly the same issue.

My fathers original birth certificate before he was adopted in 1947 says on the bottom left ADOPTED and is signed by a registrar, does this mean his birth mother was wanting him adopted as soon as he was born or that she intended to have him adopted not long after?  we know he was adopted 3 years after his birth in 1944, was there some 'waiting period' before children were adopted?

Thanks for any advice

I think that the 'Adopted' bit would be added to the original cert whenever the adoption took place - be it days, months or even years later.
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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 March 10 11:23 BST (UK) »

If only they added a year of adoption. I am wondering now if his mothers new husband adopted him four years later because for certain this child was around his real family in the 1940's

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Most adoptions arise from unfortunate or unhappy circumstances. A date of adoption is not included as many adopted children retain their original forename(s) on adoption and it would then be reasonably straightforward to reconcile a birth and adoption certificate without counselling etc. Not everyone wants to be traced.

I have a birth certificate where 'Adopted' is entered in the margin. The circumstances of the birth could, at best, be described as unpleasant and unhappy.

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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 April 10 12:12 BST (UK) »
Sorry that I haven't replied to the later answers to my query.... no notifications to alert me when I came out of hospital.

The adoption of my relative appears to have a good outcome as he was adopted by his real father when he was well into his thirties....the man his mother later married. I know he was always referred to by this surname as a child, but his certificate was in the mans name that his mother pretended to be married to.

There were five illegitimate children altogether and although they knew their fathers name, he is still hard to pin down as we don't have a year or place of birth, the occupation changes on some of the children's  birth certificates......the one living child would still like to know who he was.

I understand what you are saying Nigel, it could cause a lot more unhappiness if people were able to reconcile a birth with adoption certificate
without counselling.....my comment was out of frustration only as the person I am trying to help  is very old.

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PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
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Re: Birth Certificate: Adopted
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 April 10 00:05 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I was born in 1944, my original birth certificate also says adopted.  Apart from my birth mothers name and my place of birth and date of registration.   ::) not a lot more.  At the bottom, signed by the registrar.  My given surname at that time was the same as my married mother, ::) was there a choice of surname given to an illegitimate child or was it automatically the same as the mothers ???

 I also have a copy of my Certified entry in the adopted children's register.  I would have liked to have known who my father was ???  Though now as time passes it has become less important.

How do other people of my generation feel about being adopted ???

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