1851 & 1861 Lookup Please - THRELFALL & SHUTTLEWORTH - Preston

[barrowboy]

Please may I have 1861 & 1851 lookup for John Threlfall, born c1844 ? in Wrea Green and his wife Ellen (nee Shuttleworth) born c1847 ? in Preston.  They married in 1858 in Preston, St.John and have a daughter Nancy in 1859, Preston.

They are together in 1871, boarding with Shuttleworths who I presume to be family of Ellens, RG10 / 4212 / 153 / 39

Thank you

Barrowboy

[Tati]

Hi Barrowboy,

Did they marry age 14 and 11 

Anyway, 1881 says John was born Farrington, so I guess this should be him:

1851
HO107/2267 116 46
Preston, Lancashire
4 Sidney St
Robert Threlfall, head, 33, Brick Layer, b. Blackpool
Jane, wife, 31, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 9, b. Farrington
John, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
William, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
Mary Ann, dau, 2, b. do.

[Tati]

Oooh - didn't they age quickly 

1861
RG9/3135 93 34
Preston, Lancashire
7 Sidney St
Robert Threlfall, head, 62, Brick Layer, b. (can't read)
Jane, wife, 61, b. (can't read)
John, son, 17, Bricklayer, b. Farinton
William, son, 15, (can't read occupation), b. do.
Alice, dau, 10, scholar, b. Preston
Mar*** , dau, 4, scholar, b. do.

Sorry, I'm really having trouble reading the image! I hope someone else can help decipher 

[Tati]

I notice the Threlfalls are merely shown as boarders in 1871 = the children's relationships aren't shown.

Unless you know for sure that Ellen was a Shuttleworth, I wonder if this marriage isn't more likely:
1866 John Threlfall - Ellen Waterhouse at Preston St Thomas

An Ellen Waterhouse born ca. 1846 Withnell is living in Preston in 1851 and 1861.

[Tati]

Oh wait! I realise there are several John/Ellen couples.

These with daughter Nancy, but they're both age 40
1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11876054

and these 2, who I was initially looking at :
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11863552

Meaning you can scrap my earlier find - sorry!

[Tati]

Starting all over 

Here's Ellen with daughter Nancy in 1861, age 20 and already with Mary Shuttleworth:

1861
RG9/3138 109 30
Preston, Lancashire
22 Cunliffe St
Shuttleworth Mary, head, wid, 47, Housekeeper, b. Preston
James, son, 15, Pipe Maker, b. do.
Martha, dau, 11,
Threlfall Ellen, lodger, mar, 20, Housekeeper, b. do.
Threlfall Nancy, dau, 2, b. do.

[Tati]

Not getting anywhere with John I'm sorry to say. I can see only one born Wray Green, parents James and Nancy, but his birth year is way out - ca. 1833. Mind, so is Ellen's, going by these earlier censuses:

1851
HO107/2267 733 54
Preston, Lancashire
8 Homer St
Mary Shuttleworth, head, wid, 38, Vest Maker
Joseph, son, 15, Pipe Maker
Ellen, dau, 12, scholar
James, son, 5, scholar
Martha, dau, 2, at home

All born Preston

1841
HO107/499/15 23 1
Preston, Lancashire
North Road
Joseph Shuttleworth, 25, Pipe Maker J
Mary, 25
Joseph, 5
Alice, 12
Ellen, 3

[barrowboy]

Tati

Once again, thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it

I had had a problem with their ages, I'll work it out eventually

Kindest regards

Barrowboy