Missing Marriage

[maheraw]

Attn Mike Thw
I am researching the PENWILL's if you would care to contact.

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[homeleejo]

I am also researching a Penwill/ Penwell branch in Devon and have several William Penwill's on my line

[JoGW]

Hi

long time after original post, but wondered whether you had any info to share on Clara Augusta Penwill. She was my great grandmother and was a bit mysterious!

thanks

Jo

[homeleejo]

Hi

I have not come Across anyone with the Name Clara Augusta Penwill along the branches of my tree so far unless she is a decedent from one of the siblings along the way sorry i cant be of any more help to you have any dates for her ?

[Mike Thw]

I've very little paperwork to back up the following:

Clara Augusta Penwill, b 1889, Bowes Park, London. Married Walter H Harris from Merthyr Tydfil in 1909, reg Plymouth. One son (by 1911 census) Herbert 1910 . Nothing later.

Youngest Dau of William R and Jesse,

If you are interested, I can take the Penwill line back to George c1770 who married an Elizabeth Lavers
in Newton Ferrers, Devon on 20 Dec 1792.

[JoGW]

Thanks, that's certainly the right Clara.  I also found that she had married Walter Herbert Harris in 1909 and had a son Herbert William Harris in 1910 in Devon, but can find no record of what happened to Walter and their son, which really would interest me. She was in London with Acland Ernest Vicary by 1917 as her and her new 'husband' had my grandmother in early 1917 in Lambeth.  I have never managed to find a record of their marriage either and suspect they never did marry. Acland Ernest Vicary has only ever been traceable by military records as I doubt his name was really Acland, but invented when he joined up! The two of them were rather shady at times and moved around a lot both in England and on the continent.

I've also reached George Penwill and Elizabeth Lavers - haven't got any further on the Penwills, but did get a couple more generations back on the Lavers if you're interested?

[JaneyCanuck]

I would look into these records for Clara's husband Walter and son William.

Walter Herbert Harris's birth was registered Sep quarter 1885 in Merthyr Tydfil.
There is a Walter H Harris born abt 1885 death registered in Plymouth in Dec quarter 1952.

Herbert William G Harris's birth was registered in Sep quarter 1909 in Plymouth.
There is a Herbert W G Harris marriage to Lilian M Rowe registered in Devonport in 1934.
Lilian M Harris born abt 1915 died Sep quarter 1944 in Plymouth could be a match for Lilian M Rowe birth reg Dec quarter 1914 in Devonport.
There is then another Herbert W G Harris marriage in Plymouth in 1954 to Muriel B L M Thompson/Jarvis.
Muriel B L M Harris born abt 1913 died 1966 in Plymouth, a match for Muriel B L M Jarvis born Dec quarter 1913 in East Stonehouse.

Some names possibly to be getting on with.

If my guess as to a child of the Harris-Rowe marriage is correct, the child is living in Plymouth at present. I will PM you that info if you like JoGW, if you add one more post to the thread to make three.

[JaneyCanuck]

And I'm going to bet that this is your Acland Ernest Vicary in 1911:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWNC-4BH

Ernest Vicary, aged 25, born Hammersmith, in the barracks in Colchester, West Yorkshire Regiment.

The medal card for Acland Ernest Vicary shows him in the 2nd West Yorkshire Regiment, 3rd Batallion.

In 1901, he is shown as Ernest King at Ancestry, son of Thomas J Alton King and Elizabeth King, in Lambeth. An Ancestry user has corrected the name to read as it does on the image, Vicary, misread as King for the whole family. I may know that user! Stupid Ancestry is refusing to show the profile, but if it is the same person, I can contact them another way if you would like. The user doesn't mention whether they are connected with the family.

[JoGW]

Thanks, JaneyCanuck! Yes, I'd appreciate it if you could PM me about Harris-Rowe family and ask the person you think might have more info on the Vicary/King family.  I've followed up a number of families online trying to find Acland Ernest Vicary, but none have been tremendously convincing so far.