William McDonald, emigrated 1910 to Canada

[RSMACL]

As against that, found on 13 August, 1923, U.K. Passengers Incoming, to Glasgow, Scotland on T.S.S. 'Athenia', Steamship Line Anchor-Donaldson, 'whence arrived: Montreal" - Michael Callaghan, wife Mary, returning to Glasgow (gives their address). !!!!

[bigmac1x]

Hi Debbie,
Did search SP in 1889. That's where I found Mary b.1889 in Greenock (NW of Glasgow) to John Callaghan and Sophia Canavan.
Broadened it to 1885 to 1890 and came up with 21 possibilities. Only 1 in Hamilton (SE of Glasgow). Michael Callaghan and Mary Kane. Daughter Mary Ann. Hmmm. b.1888.

Now that I look at "Kane" here, if that didn't look so much like a capital
C(ane) on the 1914 marr cert, I'd almost say it could be Kane.
Hey, what if the information in the Bridegroom and Bride sections on the marr cert were being dictated to a city clerk or something? They could have heard Kane and written it in the more familiar form of Cane.
I don't think the writing in those 2 sections is either William or Mary as it doesn't seem to match their signatures.

[bigmac1x]

Have been in touch with the Archives of Ontario. What fun!
Can't look at the original marr cert right away. You have to check the microfilm first and if it is illegible, then you can ask to see the original.
But then I find out what they have here is the Register. This is apparently a book where much of the information on a marriage cert was recorded. Sounds like a 'make work' project to me! But I guess that's where I'll have to start.
Apparently the original marr cert is in the Office of the registrar General in Thunder Bay. Don't think I'm making a trip all the way up there. I guess it is possible to order a photocopy though.

[RSMACL]

Thought I sent you this, Stephen? 
S.P. Stat.Births 647/00.0692  Mary Ann Callaghan b. 23 July, 1888, at
17 Young Street, Hamilton, Lanark, parents Michael Callaghan, Coal Miner, and Mary Kane. 
Found also Michael's wedding (24 yr. Coal miner)  to Mary 'Keane' (18yrs) (title at top of S.P. record shown as MARY KANE) -  (both signed with their X mark -  obviously they couldn't read and write, so spelling of her surname might have been at Enunciator's discretion!)  Date:  21 Nov., 1879 at Roman Catholic Chapel, after Banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church, District of Hamilton, County of Lanark.   Michael's usual address: South Street, Hamilton; Mary's: Grammar School Square, Hamilton.
(* insert from my previous post:  "  1900 United States Federal Census: it has Mary CANE (CAUL)/ John... can't access this either." -  If this is right one, her name seems to be interchangeable between Caul/ Cane. )
 N.B.The name of Caul appears in brackets (about third line in main body of document  with notation just above, which I can't read)  on Mary Callaghan/William McDonald's m.cert. - now wonder if Mary's mother perhaps remarried to someone called CAUL.
Michael's parents: Archibald Kane (Hawker - General) and Mary Ann Higgerty. Witnesses: John Keane (his x mark), Fanny Callaghan (ditto), Jas. Danahen, signed. 
In 1881 Census, Archibald Kane (31yrs) is living with his mother Isabella, (62 yrs.) and he also is a Coal Miner.

[Jacquie in Canada]

The name with another name in brackets after means that it was originally transcribed one way but a correction was entered - Ancestry always keeps the original transcription and the correction in their database. I looked at the original 1900 US census image and it clearly says John and Mary Cane but they aren't your people. The census indicates that that Mary was born in Pennsylvania and her parents were born in Germany.

In looking at the marriage registration of William and Mary, I am very certain the name on the registration is Cane and that Caul was a mistranscription by the transcriber.

Jacquie

[RSMACL]

Thanks Jacquie, that really clears that up nicely.  Grateful for help.

[bigmac1x]

Hi Ruth,
Re: Thought I sent you this Stephen?"
You did.
1. The birth looks so good. Parents Michael and Mary seems to match first names on marr cert of Wm/Mary.
Still concerned about that Cane vs Kane on Wm/Mary's marr cert.
Also concerned the birth record says Mary Ann and marr cert only says Mary. Can't wait to see the Register and hopefully the original. That should confirm Mother's maiden name, Mary's age, where born and where living in Toronto in 1914. Can't wait!
2. Michael/Mary's marr cert looks good too. Interesting although her name is spelled Keane, her Parents are Kane. But the witness is Keane. Puzzling.
The handwriting looks the same throughout the cert so why the difference from one name to the next? No consistency!
3. The return trip to Glasgow by Michael/Mary in 1923 could be them. Visiting Daughter and Son in law William in Toronto?
When Mary (Ann) was born they were living on Young St in Hamilton. On the passenger manifest they show address as 80 Udson Rd, Hamilton. Both in Hamilton - that's a plus. I guess it would be hoping for too much that they didn't move between 1888 and 1923! Wonder if the addresses are close together?
Would have also been nice if they had to list when they arrived in Canada and where they stayed in Canada. Again, that would be too easy, right?

Interesting, in the "Country of last permanent Residence" column they put Canada. At first I thought they might have moved to Canada to be near Mary (Ann) (and maybe Annie), but they list a Hamilton address. (Their address in Hamilton or maybe who they're going to visit?)
I wonder if they came back to Canada shortly thereafter?