Mary Caroline ORFORD

[Rose-Twig]

Thanks Jenn 

[Rose-Twig]

Hi Judith,

I was just entering your information in Reply#9 about Hannah Hanam and am wondering if you've found the right birth record as according to the Census information above this Hannah would have been born between 1812-1813, but the birth record says 1806?

What do you think, is there any possibility it's a different Hannah, or could Hannah have cut a few years off her age in the Census? 

[judb]

Hi Rose

You are quite right about the discrepancy.  I was so excited to find these entries I didn't stop to look at them carefully.  I am now very unsure about this birth, especially as it would mean that she was 44 or 45 when her youngest child was born.  Not impossible, though.

My reasoning in looking at it was that the names Maria and HANAM are not that common in England, however according to census and FreeBMD there are others with the same name. 

However:

I note that she is listed on the two census entries I can identify as being older than her husband - perhaps she put her age down a bit so she would not seem quite so much older than her husband.  The census information is what people chose to tell the census taker, and he may have mistranscribed anyway - unlikely in this case as she is consistent over the ten years.  That would be a fair age gap though - 13 years.

There is an outside chance that the baby Hannah born and baptised (St Martin in the Fields) in 1806 may have died and another child born to the parents may have been named the same - this was not uncommon but is a less likely scenario.  Unfortunately civil registration did not start until 1837 so there will be no official record of a birh in 1906.

The marriage certificate should give her age,  her parish and her father's name and occupation - assuming the informatin given at the time was true and correct.  Unfortunately the name of the church as given is also the name of a registration district so the marriage may have been in any church in that district which covers Belgrave; Hanover Square; Knightsbridge; Mayfair; Mayfair & Knightsbridge; St. John; St. Margaret; St. Margaret & St. John; Victoria; Westminster St. John; Westminster St. Margaret. 

You would need to order it from UK. This information is from the London resources on Rootschat
You can order BMD certificates directly from  The GENERAL REGISTRY OFFICE (GRO):  http://tinyurl.com/5wn3h

Sorry I have no idea of the cost etc.

Hope I haven't led you too far up the garden path 

Judith

I'd like to know what others think? - Jenn?

[GoDoggies]

hello my name is paulina
and this is what my research has uncovered about mary caroline orford (stone) B1845 london (march 1841?) D2 may 1911 (4/5/1911??  known as mary carolien (carolien miss spelt on certificate i think) brydon at time of death) Brisbane married william orford B1841 marylebone england D15 sept 1883 Brisbane they were married june 1861 st giles england they had 7 children
emma elizabeth b6/1862 clerkenwell middlesex
william edward b9/1864 st giles
frederick b1865 pancras
jane b1867 pancras
mary caroline b1871 pancras D1893 brisbane Qld Aust.....m....robert corrie 1890 has one son joseph william corrie b1891 and then she dies age 22 13 july 1893
reuben sinclair
george henry

mary caroline orford (stone) other marriage John Henry Brydon

[thetowers]

There is a William Orford on the ship Albany, December 1882.  Film Z1973.     You should go to the library in Brisbane and check it.

[GoDoggies]

im not in QLD
sadly cannot get there

[judb]

Hi Pauline and welcome to Rootschat.

Rose-Twig hasn't been on Rootschat since 2011 but, hopefully, if she has the same email, she should get a notification about your post.

Judith