Peter RAE / Janet BRAIDWOOD et al

[Timetraveller77]

I am trying to unravel a knot of the RAE family from Carron/Larbert of Stirlingshire.
 
My GGG Grandfather was Peter K RAE:
b. 17 Oct 1806
Christened 2 Nov 1806
d. 4 Dec 1883   
Buried: Larbert Churchyard with wife)

He married Janet BRAIDWOOD:
b. 1809 Carnwath, Lanarkshire  (possibly to parents John BRAIDWOOD and Jane MILLER)       
d. 14 Jul 1897, Larbert   
Buried: Larbert Churchyard with husband )

They married 20 Dec 1839, Larbert, Stirlingshire and had the following children:

1. Jane RAE:
b. 24 Feb 1841, Larbert 
d. 11 Mar 1918 
She married: James LOW (b. 30 May 1839)

2. Bethia RAE
b. 1845 Larbert 
d. ?
She married: Alexander McDonald BOWER

3. Peter RAE
b. 28 Aug 1851, Carron, Larbert   
d. 26 Jul 1937 Larbert 
buried: Larbert Cemetery
He married: Isabella SCOTT (b. 1851 Falkirk)

So far I have used IGI to find Peter K RAE's parents to probably be
William RAE (b. 1778 to 1784, Larbert)
and Bethia TOWERS (b. 1782 to 1786, Larbert).

I have some conflicting information that suggests Peter K RAE (b. 1806) is the son of:
 William RAE (b. May 5 1783 Polmont)
 and Margaret Black Thomson (b. Mar 13 1788 Polmont).

Using the Scottish naming traditions, and locations of birth (Larbert) I ASSUME Bethia Towers is the correct parentage, because there is a lineage of girls called Bethia in the family.

Is someone able to untangle this family from other RAEs in that region please?

Also any extra information for Peter RAE (jnr) would be great. He was a famous man in Falkirk, starting at the Carron Iron Works, then Stenhousemuir Building Society. There is a "Rae Street" in Stenhousemuir named after him.
He married Isabella SCOTT 15 Dec 1871, and I have a few kids based on the 1891 Census.
But we would like to know more about his lineage if possible please.

Lastly any other info about Bethia RAE who married Alexander BOWER, and of course anything on the ancestors, Janet BRAIDWOOD and PETER RAE's families.

Many thanks for any help or leads anyone can share...
Janine (Australia)

[Timetraveller77]

Hi all,
just an update:
Peter Rae (jnr) born 1851, was survived by three sons and three daughters at his death in 1937.

From the 1881 Census records I have:
 one son:
Peter RAE born 1875,
and four daughters:
Margaret (Maggie) RAE born 1873,
Janet RAE born 1878,
Isabella RAE Born 1880,
and Jane RAE born 1884 died 1966 Buried Larbert churchyard w/ father

Can anyone help find the names and birthdates for the other two sons please? And death dates for any of the girls?

BRAIDWOOD's: still not sure who Janet Braidwood's parentage is either. It appears the Braidwoods have a huge family in Lanarkshire, but just who belongs to who is proving tricky to put together....any help would be appreciated. 

[apanderson]

Hi Janine,

If you were to download Peter & Janet's Death Certificates (from Scotland's People), you would be able to confirm who their parents were. You'd also get the occupations of both fathers.

Once you had that info, it would be much easier to 'untangle' the remainder and pick out the correct Rae family members.

Anne

[apanderson]

Hi again,

Have a look at this site: http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/40.pdf (Larbert Old Parish Churchyard)

As you'll see, there are quite a few Raes (and Braidwoods too).

Anne

**Added later

I had a wee peek at Peter's DC and it confirms that his parents were William Rae, Carpenter and Bethia Rae (nee Towers), both deceased and that he was married to Janet Braidwood.

[Timetraveller77]

Hi Anne, thanks for your posts.
After a bit of mucking around I have managed to purchase and save a copy of Janet RAE (nee BRAIDWOOD)'s death registry entry from Scotlandspeople.

From what I can make of it (I struggle with the old writing/language):

"Janet RAE, widow of Peter Rae, Iron Weigher.
Died 14 Jul 1897, age 88 yrs, at 188 Southwoodside Road, Kelvin, Glasgow of Senile debility and  ?   Cardiac(?)"

"Father John BRAIDWOOD, deceased, Iron Works Furnace man"
"Mother Margaret BRAIDWOOD, deceased, nee Millar"
"informant Peter RAE, son, of Stenhouseview, Stenhousemuir, Jul 14 1897 at Glasgow"

This all matches the headstone, and grave inscriptions so it's my girl. Interesting to see her mother is Margaret Millar. IGI shows Jane/Jean Millar.

Oh well I now have her parents names as a certainty.
And thanks for Peter's parents confirmation. I am now on my way.....

Cheers, Janine

[apanderson]

Great stuff Janine!

I've sent you a PM regarding Peter Rae.

Was the entry on IGI a 'Submission'? If so, that's probably why Margaret was listed as Janet.

Anne

[Timetraveller77]

Hello again Anne, (just sent you a PM too).

Not sure of that IGI record was a submission. The hassle is there IS a couple out there called John Braidwood and Jean Millar....I have seen their descendants trees online.  My one is more elusive it seems 

I found the following 1891 census on Scotlands People for Peter Rae (jnr) and his family in Larbert, as follows: Munro Street, Larbert 

Peter RAE, age 39, Head, Foundry Warehouseman, born Larbert
Isabella RAE, age 40, wife, born Falkirk
Maggie RAE, age 17, dau, Toy Shop Assistant, born Falkirk
Peter RAE, age 16, son, Bakers Apprentice, born Falkirk
Janet RAE, age 13, dau, Scholar, born Larbert
Isabella RAE, age 10, dau, Scholar, born Larbert
Jane RAE, age 6, dau, Scholar, born Larbert
John S RAE, age 3, son, born Larbert
James B RAE, 4 mnths, son, born Larbert

I suspect that John S Rae has the middle name SCOTT after his mothers maiden name and brother James B Rae has the middle name of BRAIDWOOD after his father's mothers maiden name. Pure guess, but an educated one 

Interestingly they are living next door to some Braidwood's but none that seem to match my family sadly.
Hopefully someone can help fill some more gaps for these families now....

Cheers Janine

[apanderson]

E-mail on it's way.

If you had a look at that other site I mentioned earlier, you'll see that there's lots of Raes and Braidwoods listed on stones in Larbert Old Churchyard. Maybe you'll be able to find some of yours there?

Anne

[Timetraveller77]

Hi Anne,

I have had a look at all the Larbert cemetery lists via Memento-Mori, and a lot of the names don't match my tree (as yet). I found two William Rae's but I am not sure if either are my ancestor since I have no idea of his birth date yet.

That site is very useful though, so I will keep checking it once more info comes in for both families.
Cheers.
Janine