Miners Arms,Afonwen?? **COMPLETED**

[dannyvel]

As i have written on other message boards and had zero response about this i am starting to wonder. Googling this pub just bring up a Miners Arms in Maeshafn which is too far away for it to be the same one? I live in Denbigh and have been to the library to see if they have anything there but nothing. I even done google street view in afonwen to check house names and still nothing so far.
Particularly interested in mid to late 1800's which was when it was run by Robert Parry.

[taidgazacaz]

I've got the earliest (c1870) OS maps of Flintshire & Denbighshire on disc. Looked at Afonwen and can only see 2 public houses - Pwll Gwyn, which is still there, and The Sportsman, which isn't. I wonder if one of these was called The Miners Arms in earlier times.

There aren't any mines there either. They're higher up the hills towards Rhesycae and Halkyn. There is a Miner's Arms in Rhesycae.

Have you found Robert Parry in the censuses? If not, can you give more details, so that we can try to find him; dob, wife, children etc.

Tecwyn

[Bilge]

There is an entry in Pigots & Co Directory 1835 for Mold & Neighbourhood.

PARRY, Robert, Milford St. (Retailer of Beer)

[dannyvel]

I have found him in 3 census's 1851-1871 and in all it states him as a Publican. Rah1980 found this otherwise i had no inkling of the name of the pub.

[dannyvel]

sorry i can't seem to add the doc. Rah1980 sent me?

[taidgazacaz]

I've now found him in the three censuses, and as you say they all give his occupation as "publican". However, none of them refer to The Miner's Arms. They simply say "Afonwen". I take it that you got the name from somewhere else.

By "walking" the 3 censuses, i.e. following the enumerator on the old map (1851 being the clearest), I'd guess that the pub was The Sportsman.

The Tithe maps at Hawarden might be worth a look at.

Tecwyn.

[dannyvel]

Brilliant, that's excellent news. So was the sportsman on the main road? I did the google street map but obviously it doesn't go around some of those more narrow lanes. Was just looking for something like a house name like Miners Cottage etc just so i could narrow it down but nothing.
Thanks for all the info Tecwyn.

 

[taidgazacaz]

No, not on the main road. If you approach from Bodfari, pass the Pwll Gwyn on your left, you then reach a cross roads. Turn left, but not up the hill to Caerwys. The other left hand one is probably signposted Babell or Rhesycae. The pub was a bit further on, on the left hand side. I think it's a private house now.

If you go to Google Maps and enter Afonwen enlarge it until you see the B5122 which goes to Caerwys. You'll see a little triangle with Bryn Seion Liveries in the middle of it. Now switch to satellite view. The pub was one of the three buildings above the triangle unless it was demolished and these are new.

I think you should still try to check other sources to confirm that this is the one.

Tecwyn.

[taidgazacaz]

Try this link.

http://www.globrix.com/property-details/16364237-sportsman_terrace-afonwen-ch7-2_bed-terraced_house

Want to buy it ??