Miners Arms,Afonwen?? **COMPLETED**

[dannyvel]

Well the doc i was sent by Rah1980 is North Wales pigot & co. I am not familiar with newspapers and things. It mentions Caerwys and surrounding area and mentions Pwll Gwyn but no mention of The Sportsman. I don't know the date but it obviously had to be mid 1800's.
I've been reading a bit about the Sportsman and it was built in 1700's but there is no mention it ever changed its name.

Baffled  

[taidgazacaz]

It could be that the old OS map simply doesn't show all the pubs. I've found that to be the case in towns. For instance, I was looking at Bagillt the other day. The area map showed about 4 pubs by name, but when I looked at the street plan (still c1870) I found 4 more marked as PH with no name. Unfortuately there isn't a street plan map for Afonwen.

 

[Rah1980]

The document I sent was from a Piggotts directory of North Wales and what seemed like half of England when I had to go through it page by page  It was dated 1830/s I wanted to see if I could find ant info about my relatives pre the start of the censuses.

The place on the signpost on the mold-denbigh road says Ysceifiog.

 

[dannyvel]

Thanks Sarah, Just noticed you're researching Ellis aswell. Any around Bagillt and Holywell area?

[Rah1980]

I have a great great great grandma who was born in Ysceifiog in 1820's but then moved with parents (?) and siblings (?) to Bagillt, I have no idea why and can't find her on the census until she is married, I know she was born ysc because of baptism and census and I know she lived Bagillt because of marriage cert, but I havent been able to find any of her family on the census.

Sarah 

[dannyvel]

I have a lot of Ellis family in Bagillt early 1900's and Holywell going back to mid 1800's. Maybe we cross paths somewhere along the line eh?

[Rah1980]

Lol it is possible, I cross my own  line (great grandparents were second cousins, I am my own 5th cousin  )

If you look in the flintshire look up offers all the parish registers I have are listed. I have a few Holywell ones.

Sarah

[dannyvel]

I am stuck on William Ellis at the moment aswell. He was born about 1845 in Holywell. I have two marriage certs which state his father as William Ellis, shoemaker. On both his father is deceased.

On 1861 census i found one of the same age which says he is the son of a Sarah Davies aged 75 so thats completely untrue. He isn't  the problem it's his parents lol.

I don't suppose you have the parish rec. for the same time do you?

[Rah1980]

My baptisms stop at 1840, does he have any older siblings that you know of?