Ann late Cain formally Coyne - Castle Bar

[phil100652]

I have an ancestor b. 1828 and from Castle Bar, Co Mayo who married in Liverpool in 1853.

Her name on one document was "Ann late Cain formally Coyne" so presumably her maiden name was Coyne before she married a Cain and then lost her husband.

Strangely on her later Liverpool marriage certificate her father's name was John Collin (Farmer).

Any ideas how I could trace her first husband or her family?

[heywood]

Hi Phil,

it's going to be difficult as you are not sure of her proper name.

Do you have her in 1851 census?
Is she a widow on her first marriage?
What name is given for her on her children's birth certificates?
Is there any consistency in those names- Collins/Coyne/Cain.

The names do sound similar and there may be just difficulties in interpretation.

best wishes
heywood

[phil100652]

Hi Heywood,

Thanks for your response. You're asking all the right questions but I don't have the answers. I guess that's why it was always going to be a long shot. I can't find her on any earlier censuses and I only know birth certificates for the children she had by her subsequent marriages where she uses her remarried surname.

Thanks for trying anyway.
Phil.

[heywood]

Hello  Phil,

I don't understand this re Ann.

Lancashire BMD has the marriage as Ann Cain/Ann Collins to Nathaniel Huntington- is that right?
I can see Ann in censuses with her children and a daughter who is not from that marriage.
Nathaniel dies but Ann doesn't remarry and there don't see to be any more children but you mention her subsequent marriage  Which marriage is that?
She names one son Coyne so there does seem to be a connection there.

Does the Castlebar connection come  from family knowledge?

[phil100652]

Sorry Heywood, I’ve really confused the facts but when you see the details you’ll hopefully sympathise!

Here’s what I know so far …

Ann Cain (widow born c.1828) married Nathaniel Huntington in 1853 and her pob was Ireland (not necessarily Co Mayo – sorry my mistake). Although her name on the marriage cert was Cain, her father was named as John Collin.

She had several children with Nathaniel including a son Coyne.

She also already had a daughter by a previous marriage – we think to George Keine, a shoemaker. The daughter’s name was Ann Keine born c.1850 in Castle Bar, Co Mayo as per 1911 census.

This Ann also married a Huntington – William Henry Huntington – in 1872. He was the son of the above Nathaniel’s first marriage to Hannah Jones. (So the Ann b.1828 was mother of Ann b.1850 and step-mother of William Henry Huntington).

Just in case you are still not totally confused, the 1911 census for Mrs Ann Huntington (the one born c.1850) also lists a cousin, Miss Ann Coyne (spinster age 22) from Rehins Road, Co Mayo.

If you’re still following this, I’m happy with the details after Ann’s (b.1828) marriage to Nathaniel. It’s her origins in Ireland I’m keen to trace.

Any idea how I can find out any more about her marriage to George Keine and what was her maiden name (Coyne, Keine, Cain, Collin …)?

Any help you could give would be much appreciated … and not a little miraculous! 

[aghadowey]

At the time of Ann's marriage in 1853 her surname would have been Cain and since her father's name was Collin that was probably her maiden name.
Keine is probably just another form of Cain/Kane/O'Kane  and perhaps Collin/Coyne were the same name- remember that spelling was very fluid especially since amny people were illiterate.

[heywood]

Thanks Phil - I was going along those lines re the two Anns, having found the baptism of William and realised that Nathaniel had been married before.
What put me off was 1871 where Ann jnr is Huntington and single so I thought she was just taking her stepfather's name. She is Ann K though. 
Aghadowey, sums it up I think re the name situation. Spellings/pronunciations where often taken at face value and were interpreted in that 'fluid' way that aghadowey refers to.
From daughter Ann's date of birth c 1850, it looks as though the two Anns may still be in Ireland in 1851.Is George Keine named as father on young Ann's marriage?
If she gives Castlebar as birthplace (1911-the only census I didn't check then I would suspect that Mayo is the right place to start- especially with young Miss Coyne, bearing in mind that cousin could be a very loose translation of a connection.
Looking at a map, there is a Rehins but it is nearer to Ballina than Castlebar.
I can't see Ann Coyne in 1901 in Liverpool/Birkenhead etc.

This site: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/ has 1901 for Mayo. Looking at Castlebar area - Aglish Parish there are I think a couple of Coyne families with a young daughter Ann. May be worth your looking at.
I'm not sure if Rehins would be Ballynahaglish parish but I can't see any Coynes there anyway.
Ireland's 1911 census is aslo online but tracing young Ann Coyne's family would be difficult there as she is in Birkenhead!

[phil100652]

Heywood & Aghadowey. Thanks both for your help with this.

It was indeed the young Ann's (b. 1850) marriage certificate (to William Huntington) that named her father as George Keine, Shoemaker.

What you have both said about the various names most likely being variations of the same makes sense.

The linked site is interesting too. As you say, there are many folks in Mayo in 1901 with the name Cain or Coyne but no-one called  Keine. I'll trawl through them to see if I can find any likely relatives but I suspect it will be difficult to link them for certain.

Thanks anyway for your help.
Phil.