What is my ancestor wearing and what date would this be please

[Cockneygirl]

Sorry Prue it the photo didnt come up any bigger, trying again, Cockneygirl

[Richard Knott]

St John, Horsleydown
Mary Burt  bap  10 Jan 1813    b 12 Dec 1812
dau of Bohemia and Ann Burt, mariner of John Street

Given that Bohemia Burt's second marriage to Jane Wilson in 1823 was in Shoreditch, it's just possible that these are connected:

5 Dec 1824 St Luke, Finsbury
Jane Burt of North St buried age 30

19 Jan 1834 St James, Clerkenwell
(no name) Burt of North St (?) age 64

Richard

I have just checked the originals in the baptismal registers for 1803 and 1807 and in both cases Bohemia's profession is given as baker. That makes much more sense and is further confirmation that you have the right person.
(I checked 1813 and it does say mariner).

Ann Burt witnessed John Burt's marriage.

Richard

[Cockneygirl]

Hi Richard,
Brilliant information thankyou, looks very good to me. I am also pleased that you have found Ann Burt as witness at Johns' marriage, that helps to confirm that Boheme is the right father for John, I was beginning to wonder if I had the right father connection for him.
Also the later information after Boheme's second marriage is really interesting. So I now might have a death for Boheme at last and all I need now is a birth??? which I assume from this might be around 1770 which is about where I thought. I don't suppose you have come across his birth have you or am I now asking too much?
I know St. John Horsleydowns was in Bermondsey, which is where his children were born so is it possible he might have been born around that area of London, I just cant seem to find him anywhere for birth, with that name I thought it might be easy.
I really appreciate your help Richard, thankyou so much. Kind regards, Cockneygirl.

[Richard Knott]

Also the later information after Boheme's second marriage is really interesting. So I now might have a death for Boheme at last and all I need now is a birth??? which I assume from this might be around 1770 which is about where I thought. I don't suppose you have come across his birth have you or am I now asking too much?

I think you are a very long way from confirming the death in 1834 as Bohemia Burt's. The surname and age are right; after that it is hoping that the first name wasn't entered because it was unusual.

I did have a quick look in the Horsleydown baptisms for 1767-1773 with no luck; but it is something of a longshot as people moved around so much then. You may want to try some directories as the chances are that his father was a baker as well.

I fear the photo may not be the person you want it to be unless there is more evidence than just being in a photo album.

Richard

[Cockneygirl]

Hi Richard,
Okay I see what you mean about Boheme's death. Thankyou very much for looking for a possible birth. Where would I find directories, can they be found on the internet somewhere?
The only other thing that makes me believe that the photograph is a family ancestor is that he bears a striking resemblence to my father Alfred and the Burt family generally and the fact that I have identified other photos from the same album as being definate family members, in fact he is a double of my father but my father had no beard.
Thankyou so much for your help anyway, you are very kind. Cockneygirl.

[Richard Knott]

Lots of resources are listed on the London page:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,295.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=24.0

Some directories are here (but may not go back far enough):
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/

Richard

[Cockneygirl]

Hi Richard,
Thankyou very much I will have a look. Kind regards Cockneygirl

[mosher]

Hi Cockneygirl,

My dad is a mason so I emailed your photo to him for identifying.  He says he doesn't think Freemasons.  He suggested try the Druids or the Oddfellows.  I have googled them but they don't look too promising either!

Aly

[sefiona]

Hi Cockney Girl, noting your mention of mariner earlier it seems to be a bit of co-incidence that a section of the freemasons is called Royal Ark Mariner. Seeing that there is a clash of a profession of baker and mariner on a certificate perhaps this might be a lead.
Sefiona