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sugden/wiseman
« on: Friday 12 March 10 20:22 GMT (UK) »
looking for ada wiseman/george sugden
grew up norwich/norfolk
wiseman
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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #1 on: Friday 12 March 10 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi and welcome :)

Did Ada and George marry one another, or were they otherwise connected?

Can you give some indication of dates?

What sort of information are you seeking about each of them?

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 March 10 20:29 GMT (UK) »
Is this marriage relevant (from www.freebmd.org.uk)?

Marriage Dec qtr 1907   

SUGDEN George Alfred
WISEMAN Ada Marion   

on same page, Norwich 4b 411
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 04:39 GMT (UK) »
many thanks-I am new at this-will check out   www.freebmd

little is known except for marriage of George and Ada and their children.I think the  info you sent me is what I am looking for as headstones read George A. 1886 & Ada M. 1888

trying to go back to their families
know George had brothers Oliverand Donald plus ???
know nothing of Ada"s brothers and sisters if any
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sugden

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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 05:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi patches2
  These could possibly be the births of the family you have and also them in 1901 census.
   You may need to purchase a couple of certificates to be sure you are on the right track. 


  Births Sep 1887   
SUGDEN  George Alfred    Norwich  4b 118

Births Jun 1904   
Sugden  Oliver Henry    Norwich  4b 134

Births Sep 1897   
Sugden  Donald Leslie    Norwich  4b 113

1901 census 11 St.Martins Rd., Norwich
George Sugden 44 born Chatham Kent  Brewers clerk
Mary Sugden 35 Finobury Park London
George Sugden 13 Norwich Norfolk
May Sugden 10 Norwich Norfolk
Gladys Sugden 8 Norwich Norfolk
Nellie Sugden 5 Norwich Norfolk
Donald Sugden 3 Norwich Norfolk
Edith Sugden under 1 month Norwich Norfolk
Maria Davy 43 Nurse
Olive Jermy 16 servant

Kind regards
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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 07:30 GMT (UK) »
Hiya...and welcome to Rootschat Patches....
if the 1901 census family is yours .....as the children were born in Norwich ,I checked for a marriage for George Sugden to Mary ????? in Norwich around 1886 -( George jnr being b in 1887)..found this

George Sugden to Mary Edith Dove ...June qtr 1884 Norwich  4b 312 .....

also this

Ada Marion Wiseman was born Dec Qtr 1888  Norwich 4b 133
so George was 20 and Ada 18 when they married....NO SUGDEN / WISEMAN children born after 1911....3 possibles 1907-1911
Stanley William Sugden b sep qtr 1908   norwich  4b 151
Lucy Sugden b mar qtr 1909   Norwich 4b 157    (so these can`t be siblings-too close for birth dates)
Ruby E Sugden b june qtr 1911     Norwich   4b 119
so it would appear that George and Ada had either 1 or 2 children ...no more...do you have any children for George and Ada ???
allan :)
ADDED  maybe someone can find Ada Marion Wiseman in the 1891 census in Norwich...but be careful as there was an Ada  May Wiseman born in the same qtr in 1888...so Ada M Wiseman may be confusing...it has to be ADA MARION WISEMAN.allan
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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 00:47 GMT (UK) »
If we have the right
 George Alfred Sugden/Ada Marion Wiseman
 they had  6 children with George # 1 (will check dob)
     rest of children ? born in canada (will check)
     Ada  
     Alice
     Margaret
     Robert
     Ruth

many thanks  Lorraine
 will visit census site
 having trouble getting anywhere at the free.bmd  site
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sugden

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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: patches2 on Wednesday 17 March 10 00:47 GMT (UK)

rest of children ? born in canada (will check)
    

This looks like the family leaving for Canada:

SS Canada, Liverpool-Montreal, 22 April 1909

Geo A. SUGDEN Joiner 21
Ada M. do Wife 20
Jack do Child 1

contracted to land at Quebec

Canadian passenger lists confirm that they landed at Quebec on 1 May 1909; ultimate destination listed as Toronto.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: sugden/wiseman
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 October 10 16:59 BST (UK) »
Quote from: garstonite on Tuesday 16 March 10 07:30 GMT (UK)
Hiya...and welcome to Rootschat Patches....
if the 1901 census family is yours .....as the children were born in Norwich ,I checked for a marriage for George Sugden to Mary ????? in Norwich around 1886 -( George jnr being b in 1887)..found this

George Sugden to Mary Edith Dove ...June qtr 1884 Norwich  4b 312 .....

also this

Ada Marion Wiseman was born Dec Qtr 1888  Norwich 4b 133
so George was 20 and Ada 18 when they married....NO SUGDEN / WISEMAN children born after 1911....3 possibles 1907-1911
Stanley William Sugden b sep qtr 1908   norwich  4b 151
Lucy Sugden b mar qtr 1909   Norwich 4b 157    (so these can`t be siblings-too close for birth dates)
Ruby E Sugden b june qtr 1911     Norwich   4b 119
so it would appear that George and Ada had either 1 or 2 children ...no more...do you have any children for George and Ada ???
allan :)
ADDED  maybe someone can find Ada Marion Wiseman in the 1891 census in Norwich...but be careful as there was an Ada  May Wiseman born in the same qtr in 1888...so Ada M Wiseman may be confusing...it has to be ADA MARION WISEMAN.allan
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