Thomas Fisher.b Wakefield in 1840's COMPLETED.

[grandad39]

I am searching the census returns for Thomas Fisher. he was born in Wakefield about 1843
I know from his children's birth and marriage certificates that his wife is Mary Rowland, who was born in Ardsley about 1843.
I can find them in the 1891 Census for Alverthorpe with children JAne, (13) Rowland (5) and Willie (2).
I can link the 1891 census for Alverthorpe with the 1881 for Wakefield via Jane (2) and mother in law  Mary Rowland and dau Charlotte's Birth Cert. which I obtained. Older child Mary A (age 12) is shown born in Dewsbury (1869).
But I can't find the family in 1871 in any Dewsbury as I would expect, not in surrounding areas.

Can anyone find them in 1871 in this area please?
Can anyone find a marriage record for them I have not found other children earlier that Mary A (1869). so normally indicating married before that date -though might not have been married at all!
Then, once I get the link to the Dewsbury area, it will be even more fun, are there are dozens of Fisher families here abouts!

Many thanks,

[CaroleW]

Hi

he was born in Wakefield about 1843

1891 shows Dewsbury 1847

1881 - Dewsbury 1843

Big gap in ages between daughters Mary aged 12 and Charlotte aged 5 on the 1881

[grandad39]

Yes, despite the common people in the 1891 and 1881 Census returns, that concerned me a bit -I did wonder if I had two different people.
Nut I have big gaps in other parts of my family, where children were born and died in the intervening 10 years.
Suppose I could send for the Birth Cert for Mary A.
Unless someone has a Dewsbury Baptisms register/ transcription for a lookup 1869
ERic

[CaroleW]

I've got a weird feeling about this couple.  I wonder if wife Mary had been previously married in which case you would be looking for a Thomas Fisher/ Mary marriage

I've checked the 1851 and 1861 and there is no Mary Rowland b Dewsbury or Wakefield 1840-1844 and I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861

[grandad39]

Notwithstanding that one Census shows Mary fisher b Manchester, the one I want was Mary Rowland was born in Ardsley - not a million miles away.
But if Thomas was married before, IfI find a Cert for Thomas Fisher and Mary Rowland, it will be circa 1868, and therefore show him as wid. or single, and solve it.
Eric

[grandad39]

I forgot to add: the Ardsley I am speaking of is I think the one between Wakefield and Bradford, rather than the one near Sheffield. Or further away. Eric

[avm228]

I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861

Mum Mary (61 b Ardsley), plus her husband James (71 b Manchester), are enumerated in Alverthorpe as ROULAND in 1861: RG9/3428/55/20.

[avm228]

I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861

Mum Mary (61 b Ardsley), plus her husband James (71 b Manchester), are enumerated in Alverthorpe as ROULAND in 1861: RG9/3428/55/20.

...and the family is ROWLUNT in 1851, daughter Mary in the household (8 b Ardsley): HO107/2328/277/23.

[grandad39]

YEs, I had them. The Mary here is the one who appears as the Mother in Law in 1881 though as age 82. the one I think marries my Thomas (b about 1843) is also b Ardsley, 1844ish.