1851 Census: can't decipher name/find them elsewhere

[tomatillo]

Many thanks for your help Valda, yes (I think) that's exactly right, many thanks.

In 1851 (the same year as Maria is with the Hostwells above) the family are still at the same address (Kenton Street) HO107 1507/41 page 10:

Mary Taylor (widow) 49, greengrocer, born in 'leaminster'
Sarah Roe (?) 20
Benjamin Taylor 16
Amelia Taylor 14
Temperance Taylor 9
Rosa Taylor 6
John Roe (?) 3m

All apart from Mary and the baby born in St George's Bloomsbury. I'm guessing that Mary means Leominster Hereforedshire but am not entirely sure.

Then in 1861 I've found this record for Crown St (the address that Maria was at with the Hostwells in 1851 in my op) RG9 172/126 page 39:

Maria Watson, Widow, 28 tailoress, London
Alfred Watson, son, 7, London
Mary Taylor, mother, widow, 61, Leominster Herefordshire.

So it looks like a really good match for 'my' Mary Taylor (nee Protherough). If it is then it seems as if Maria stayed in the house after the death of the Hostwells and her own husband and that her mother joined her. Taylor is such a common surname that I want to be very careful with it and the thing that doesn't fit is that I can't find any kind of link between the Hostwells and 'my' Maria Taylor. It's very frustrating as everything else seems to point to it being the right connection. Also, if the Hostwells are connected it should provide me with a good clue to taking the family back another generation.

Many thanks again for your interest and help, you've all already helped me to sort this out far more than I'd managed to do myself.

[Valda]

Hi

Though the 1861 census clearly states Watson I think Maria's married surname was Weston.

1871 census RG10 351 folio 43
43 Dudley Street St Giles in the Fields
Maria Weston 40 Head Widow Tailoress Marylebone Middlesex
Mary Taylor 71 Mother Widow Dilwinn (Dilwyn) Herefordshire
Alfred Weston 17 Son Pianoforte St James Middlesex

8th August 1852 St George, Bloomsbury
Frederick John Weston Full Age Bachelor Jeweller 156 High Holborn Richard Weston Jeweller
Maria Taylor Full Age Spinster Tailoress 156 High Holborn John Taylor Butler
Marriage by banns. Both Signed
Witnesses Frederick Henry Lees and Ann Maria Weston her mark

Deaths Mar 1854   
Weston  Frederick John    St James  1a 252

Deaths Sep 1874   
TAYLOR  Mary  74  St. Giles  1b 337
 
1881 census RG11 327 folio 51
43 Dudley Street St Giles in the Fields
Maria Weston 49 Head Widow Tailoress (uncompl) Marylebone Middlesex
Alfred Weston 28 Son Unmarried Pianoforte maker St James Middlesex

1891 census RG12 210 folio 82
66 Neale St Giles in the Fields
Alfred Weston 37 Head Single Pianofortemaker St James Middlesex

Deaths Sep 1889 
Weston  Maria  56  St. Giles  1b 348

Deaths Jun 1899   
Weston  Alfred  46  St. Giles  1b 365


You can access the Dilwyn parish registers indexed on the IGI through Hugh Wallis' website

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyHereford.htm#D

There doesn't appear to be a Mary Protherough/Prothero) baptism


Is it Alfred and Maria Weston you were searching for or an Alfred Watson?


Regards

Valda

[tomatillo]

Many thanks again Valda (have been away for a couple of days so only just seen your reply).

Yes I think you are probably right the Weston surname does fit with the other details for Maria, the 1861 is probably an error. All of those details look exactly right - many thanks for taking time to look at this.

My direct line is not to Maria herself but to Benjamin George Taylor, one of her younger siblings. Unfortunately Taylor is such a common surname that I've been having great difficulty getting beyond his parents and so Maria's apparent residence with an uncle/aunt looked like a good clue to going back further so I'm trying to find out more about her and to follow that up. It's just so frustrating that everything looks as if it fits but I can't find any conclusive connection between 'my' Taylors and the Hastwells.

Many thanks for all of your fantastic help with this.

[Eyesee]

St Pancras
1835 Jan 12, Benjamin George, s/o John & Mary TAYLOR, Kenton St, Fruiterer, born 1834 Dec 29

With the age of Maria in 1851, is it possible she was a great-niece of the HASTWELLs

Ian C

[chime]

Hi tomatillo,

This is an old post, hopefully you will see it.

I think my Mary Maria and your Benjamin George were brother and sister. Have you found any more information out about this family? And the Protheroe connection?

I found the post as I'm researching the same Taylor family from Kenton Street. John Taylor the father was a fruitier.

In 1841 England & Wales Census
John Taylor
Gender: Male
Birth: Between 1802 and 1806
 Middlesex, England
Residence: 1841
 Kenton Street, Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Age: 35 - 39
Census
Parish: St George Bloomsbury Series: HO107 Page: 10\9
City: Finsbury Piece: 0672 Family: 1973
County: Middlesex Registrar's district: St George Bloomsbury Line: 6
Country: England Superintendent registrar's district: St Giles in The Fields & St George Bloomsbury Image: 11
Date: 1841 Enum. District: 13
See household members

Household
Relation to head of household was not recorded in this census. However, MyHeritage has developed technology to
imply the relations based on surname, gender, age and position in the household. Though not perfect, the implied
relations are often correct.
Name Age
John Taylor 35 - 39
Mary Taylor 35 - 39
Harriett Taylor 10
Sarah Taylor 10
Mary Taylor 5
Ann Rooke 60 - 64
Eliza Rooke 20 - 24
Thomas Jones 20 - 24
William Prothero 45 - 49
William Morgan 20 - 24
William Hicks 20 - 24
Mary Stanners 20 - 24
John Stanners 50 - 54
Mary Stanners 50 - 54
Jessy Johnson 35 - 39
Dorah Connor 22
Eliza Bryan 23

[silicondale]

Hi Tomatillo - sorry, didn't see this sooner. A link with my own tree. Charles Hastwell married my g-grandfather's eldest sister Esther Henley. They had two children Annie Ruth and Charlotte Clara as listed in the 1871 census entry.

Annie Ruth (1865-1927) married William John Gibbs (1867-1942), tailor, in Steyning, Sussex 1894.
They had six children between 1895 and 1909 all born in Brighton or Steyning, but I haven't so far traced any of them further with any confidence. Work in progress!
William Charles 1895 - tailor in 1911 census
Albert George 1897 - gardener's boy in 1911 census
Frederick J-- 1900
Robert 1902 died in 1904
Edward James 1905
Annie E 1909

Charlotte Clara (1869-1933) married Albert James Balchin (1870-1936) in Brighton, 1890.
They had two children
Ellen Clara (1892-1906) and
Herbert James (1895-1915) who was killed in WW1: 9/3/1915, buried at Bois Guillaume Communal Cemetery.
CWGC - Private, Army Service Corps, Mechanical Transport, service no.M2/049278
address 36, Livingstone Road, Hove

If you are a GenesReunited member, send me a private message and I can give you a link to access my tree. I have copies of the 1911 census entries for Annie and Charlotte, but none of the marriage or birth certificates.

By the way- my profile picture is a portrait of William Vine, Esther Henley's grandfather