Finding Mary Ann Frances NEWMAN

[cando]

Information on death certificates is not reliable....and only as good as the knowledge of the informant.    I think it is her.  No other Mary Ann Frances HURREY in the indexes.

I think I found that Amelia and her last name was Long not Perriam so Im not sure if that is them. Everything else fits though.

Where did you find the information her last name was LONG not PERRIAM?  Do you have any certificates?

Marriages Jun 1850   
LONG Amelia  Pancras St 1/355   
NEWMAN John  St Pancras 1/   355   

Cando 

[judb]

Hiya Cando

I think the PERRIAM is from the death cert you gave in #1 

Judith

[cando]

I should have phrased my question a little differently Judith

LHurrey.....Where did you find the name LONG ? Her mother's name was PERRIAM on the death indexes?   Have you any certificates?


Cheers
Cando...who is heading to bed before she confuses anyone else

[judb]

You don't have to try very hard at all to confuse me, dear   

Judith who thinks she should go to bed too.

Joking aside, you probably need to purchase the marriage certificate which you can download for $17.50.  It should give information about the parents, birthplace etc as Cando has already suggested.  You will need the registration number which Cando has laready given.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseCertImage

[cando]

 

[LHurrey]

I think I saw it on Martha Ann's christening details here: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp (am I allowed to put in this link?)

I think I'll buy the marriage cert though.

Thank you both for your help!

[LHurrey]

So I bought the Hurrey Newman marriage cert and now I'm even more confused. Amelia is now listed as "Amelia Martha Moore Brown" (at least I think so, the script is a little difficult to read). No mention of Long or Perriam. Interesting... I still can't find any death or burial records for either John or Amelia.

[rebeccaclaire86]

Just stumbled across this thread while doing a bit of research, and think I might be able to fill in a bit of info about your Amelia.  I've been working backwards (it's a tenuous connection!) but will try to explain as best I can.

One of my distant Switzer relatives (William Switzer Richards) of Richmond, Victoria was mentioned in a Melbourne news article on Trove saying that probate went to his widow Amelia Martha Moore Richards.  This was news to me as I only knew about his first wife, Rebecca Switzer.  I downloaded his will from the Victoria Archives page and found that after her death all the money went to their son, William Richards, and £25 to a daughter by William Switzer Richards' first marriage (Rachel Emma Switzer Wilson nee Richards). 

There is a death for Amelia Martha Moore Richards on Ancestry in 1890 in Victoria.  Her parents names are given as Thomas Brown and Amelia - so her maiden name was Amelia Martha Moore Brown.

I then was lucky enough to stumble across your thread thanks to the unusual name and twigged that Amelia had been Newman before her marriage (I had been looking for a Richards-Brown marriage)...  It's indexed on Ancestry as Amella Newman and William Richards in Victoria in 1859.  So looks like Amelia remarried and had at least another son, William.

Hope this is useful   Can I please be nosy and ask what information was on the Hurrey-Newman marriage certificate?  Although it's an exceptionally distant connection to my line, I'd like to add it into my file anyway.

[LHurrey]

Hello,

Very interesting! Amelia is such a confusing woman.  I thought she was a Long originally, not a Moore Brown. I have found these details below so far... but now wondering about the Long part of the story.

1827 - born Amelia Long - Aston, Oxfordshire, England (from 1851 Census)

20 May 1850 - marries John Newman, Old Church, St Pancras
Marriages Jun 1850   
LONG Amelia  Pancras St 1/355
NEWMAN John  St Pancras 1/ 355

1851 - residing at 1 Leybourne St, St Pancras
1851 Census  HO107/1498/463/39
Residing at 1 Laybourne Street, St Pancras
NEWMAN John  Head Married  30 years  Porter b. Bulkington Wiltshire
NEWMAN Amelia Wife Married 24 years  b. Aston, Oxfordshire
NEWNAN Martha Ann Dau 1 month  b. St Pancras, Middlesex

Mar 1851   - Daughter Martha Ann born
Births Mar 1851 
NEWMAN Martha Ann St. Pancras 1/356

Dec 1851 - Daughter Martha Ann dies
Deaths Dec 1851 
NEWMAN Martha Ann St Pancras 1/256

1853 - travel to Victoria, Australia on ‘Albatross’
NEWMAN John [30 years] and Amelia [26 years] arrived April 1853 on the
ALBATROSS from Port B Fiche033 Page 008

10 Oct 1853 - daughter Mary Ann Frances Newman born, Collingwood Vic
NEWMAN Mary Anna Frances Newman 
Born 10 Oct 1853
Baptised  8 Jun 1854  St Stephens, Richmond, Vic.
Father  John Newman   Mother Amelia Martha

1880 - daughter marries Alfred Hurrey
HURREY Alfred Clarke born Melbourne
NEWMAN Mary Anne Frances born Collingwood
1880  Reg#230
Parents listed as John Newman and Amelia Martha MOORE BROWN

3 Dec 1936 - daughter Mary Ann Frances Hurrey (nee Newman) dies.
HURREY Mary Anna Frances
Father Hurrey Newman Jno  Mother Amelia Martha  PERRIAM
At Burwood  83 years  1936  Reg#10691
Death cert names parents as John Newman and Amelia Martha Newman, formerly Perriam

Happy to share any certificates with you. Would really just love to know the real story of Amelia

Cheers,

Lucy