Thanks for all your replies.I am still puzzled as to what happened to Steven born 1905 I have him on the 1911 census with the right family and the address is right but then in Sept 1911 StephenR Johnson was born to the family,( that was my father)so it seems strange they give another child the same name, so I just presumed that Steven 1905 could have died and they gave his brother the name. anyway thanks for all the help. i will jiust have to keep looking.....regards Valerie (mackim)