where were they.?

[johnrs]

thank you teaurn (great name), for your reply, I am trying to find my
fathers father, william stoker sands, both of the same name. found
on 1911 census as w s not w s s living in newburn, gateshead. it has
my dad and his sisters on and gives his birthplace as spittal teasing,
newcastle. there is a spittal in berwick, think there is a spittal in newcastle.?  found a record of a marriage to ann nixon in 1882 in gateshead reg-office and a 2nd marriage in 1898 to a mary jane callaghan st domonics church,newcastle. can not find william or mary on any 1901 census.? my father was born sept  1901 in brass cottages,carrs hill, gateshead. after 4 years i found by using brass only on the march 1901 census a william and mary stoker and a john colligan. if my dad was born there where were his parents living.? any advice or help to solve this would be terrific. thanks.    

[suzard]

hello johnrs and welcome to RootsChat .
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[avm228]

Hi

If you have found a William and Mary STOKER at the critical address in 1901, I'd think it likely that (in the absence of any other candidates) they are the same people as the William and Mary SANDS whose son, named William Stoker SANDS, was born at that address a few months later.

ETA: I've had a quick look at their details in 1901 (RG13/4749/152/57) and they seem to be a good match for the people you're looking for.

Anna

[teaurn]

Hi johnrs,

It would appear that looking at the census returns the family go by the Stoker name on more than one census.

I have learnt that family members seemed to use their names on a whim on each census, sometimes forget where they were born and even how old they were.

I have come to the conclusion they did it deliberately to confuse us poor family historians

[johnrs]

Hi

If you have found a William and Mary STOKER at the critical address in 1901, I'd think it likely that (in the absence of any other candidates) they are the same people as the William and Mary SANDS whose son, named William Stoker SANDS, was born at that address a few months later.

ETA: I've had a quick look at their details in 1901 (RG13/4749/152/57) and they seem to be a good match for the people you're looking for.

Anna

[johnrs]

thanks lizziew,maggie,suzard, and anna for the replys. I am coming
to the conclusion that the william stoker and william stoker sands are
the person I was looking for as going by age on 1901 and 1911 census in particular giving how long married would be about right.
I could find one of the childrens birth certificate and see what parents  names are on that. the other thing I need to find is birth
date and place for W S S, it gives spittal teasing .? I assume this is
in newcastle.? 

[teaurn]

Hi Johnrs,

I have found a place called Spital Tongues in Newcastle but I cannot find a spittal teasing.


With regard to William Stoker Sands.  I am coming up blank. lots of William Stoker or William Stokoe(as per second name on the marriage list) but no Sands for the right date.

Might be best to send of for the marriage cert to see what comes back.

[johnrs]

thanks teaurn, have just got a marriage cert for william stokoe sands and mary jane callaghan, st domonics catholic church,newcastle, both at same add.2 gordon road, n/castle, william aged 39.? and mary 28, farther thomas sands deceased,marys john callaghan. think this is correct as date is 26 oct 1898, this would give about 14 yr to 1911 census which is what they say on that. also found john and jane callaghan with a daughter mary in carlisle in 1881, think the 1901 census for brass cottages the colligan should be callaghan and living at same place as mary jane and william. also found christening record for william stoker sands (father thomas) 28 nov' 1852 but not a birth record. wish I could find this.!

[teaurn]

The sums don't add up for 1852 as the 1911 show born 1861.
Even going by they marriage cert of age 39 in 1898 that would make his birth around 1858