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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 09 March 10 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Found George F. Murrell aged 10 yrs. on 1901 England Census in Heigham, Norwich, parents Charles & Charlotte Murrell, 6 siblings, so that fits with Isabella going to Norwich in 1920.  
1911 Canada Census shows him as Boarder, aged 20, Butcher, (emigrated 1910) at Dist. 125 West Toronto, address 29 Fuller (?).. can't interpret St. name.
On her trip to and from England in 1920, how do we reconcile age of youngest child George (4 mths. out and 9 mths. in) with death of father George in 1918?????
Isabella didn't waste much time getting married (Nov.1920) to next husband - guess women in those days needed someone to support them, and their children.  
Just struck me - maybe the baby George was premature child of future husband Wiles?  Altho. that wouldn't have gone down too well with Murrell in-laws in Norwich!!

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 09 March 10 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Donald/ Daniel seemed to have been an interchangeable name, in Scotland.

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 09 March 10 23:18 GMT (UK) »
I take it Wilmot Robert and wife - but no kids on that border crossing?

You're right, Donald George - should have used my magnifying glass!

I guess with the damn privacy laws the only way a lot of the missing years will get filled in is if we happen to stumble across a Wiles or Murrell descendant.

So, from your thoughts, Isabella stayed here with Hubby, the two Murrell kids, 2 (that we know of) Wiles kids wound up in La. Any idea what happened to the 2 Murrell kids? Isabella J and George F Jr?

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 00:11 GMT (UK) »
On her trip to and from England in 1920, how do we reconcile age of youngest child George (4 mths. out and 9 mths. in) with death of father George in 1918?????

The incoming UK passenger list indicates he was either 4 months or 9 months. Given that the incoming Canadian passenger list when they returned indicates he was 8 months (that's what it looks like to me) then I assumed George was actually 4 months on the incoming UK passenger list and not 9 months.

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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz


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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 01:04 GMT (UK) »
Can someone send me the UK Incomng passenger list. I've been trying to find it for 2 days with no luck. Thanks,
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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 02:45 GMT (UK) »
UK passenger list was the Metagama arriving 15 June 1920 Liverpool from Montreal.
Children are indexed in ancestry as Muriel for last name.  A search for Isabella Muriel b. 1917 should bring it up for you.

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 04:12 GMT (UK) »
What I meant was - if husband George F. Murrell died in 1918 (as per Death Cert.) how come Isabella has a child 'George F. Murrell'  who is aged 4 mths. in June 1920 - travelling with Mum and sister Isabella J.  (b.1917) to England?? (Long gestation period like the elephants?!?)
Isabella returned from Britain in June 1920 and was  remarried to third husb. WILES in Nov. 1920 so I did wonder if this child is a Wiles' offspring, before marriage!!

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 04:59 GMT (UK) »
There are Form 30As for Isabella June Murrell age 4, George F. Murrell 8 months and their mother Isabella Murrell for their return home on the Pretorian.  Isabella stated she had been out of the  country visiting her mother.

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Re: Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 10 March 10 05:36 GMT (UK) »
What are Form 30A's, and this still doesn't explain the birth of young George so long after death of husband?