Harriet & Isabella (Bella) McDonald in Toronto, Canada

[bigmac1x]

AND, her death is in Los Angeles, California. So somewhere between 1920 in Toronto with 2 kids and 1986 in California there's at least one more marriage.

[Jacquie in Canada]

I found a marriage for Isabella , 22, to George Frederick Murrell and her parents are listed as William McDonald and Margaret Henry. I thought her mother's maiden surname was Calder?

I've also found a marriage for Isabella Murrell, 27, to a Wilmont Wiles in 1920 but that Isabella's father is George MacDonald and her mother's name is listed as unknown.

Both marriages took place in Toronto.

I also found the incoming UK passenger list that Isabella Murrell, 26, widow, and her two children were on in June 1920. The address they were going to was in Norwich. George was listed as being either 4 or 9 months on the passenger list. Although it looks like a 9 I think it is a 4 because the Canadian passenger list they were on looks like he was 8 months old to me.

Jacquie

[bigmac1x]

Good eye! It should be Margaret Henry Calder. Would have had to squeeze it in (too much trouble?) George died 25 Oct 1918. Have found his parents and siblings.
Isabella (we think) had 3 kids. 1. Isabella J, 2. George F (these 2 came back on a ship in Oct 1920 from Glasgow with Mom). Third was Daniel George died 28 Oct 1919 at 6 months old.
Desparately trying to find the birth records of the first two kids. Have tried all over and no luck.
I discovered Isabella's death in LA, Cal in 1986 with the surname Wiles. There's a 1920 marriage in Toronto to Wilmot Orley Wiles which looks perfect except her Father is George McDonald and Mother is unknown.
Any suggestions?

[Jacquie in Canada]

Ontario birth registrations from 1914 on are currently protected by privacy laws.

It's possible that someone goofed when filling out the Wiles marriage registration. Given Isabella's first husband's name was George, perhaps her husband supplied the information and gave the wrong name for her father and didn't know her mother's name. I know that's pushing it but I've seen stranger things written on marriage records.

Jacquie

[Jacquie in Canada]

The California death index has a death for a Wilmot Robert Wiles who was born 3 May 1926 in Canada and died 5 Sep 1985 in Los Angeles County. His mother's maiden surname is listed as MacDonald.

There's also a death for a Raymond Murray Wiles who was born 3 Dec 1923 in Canada and died 14 Feb 1997 in Los Angeles County with a mother's maiden surname of McDonld.

The first death seems to tie in with the Wiles/MacDonald marriage but if the second one is the same couple then it doesn't fit with the timeline unless he assumed the name Wiles after Isabella marriage Wilmot.

Jacquie

[bigmac1x]

Yes, I remember you telling me long ago that the only kids we'll find born after 1914ish were ones that have died.

You know, it was probably the man's job to go and get the marriage licence and you could be quite right. Too bad she didn't correct it when she had to sign the document.
I just looked and there's no place for the Bride to sign. Damn! And there's 2 styles of writing. Someone should have caught this before their marriage day.

[bigmac1x]

Both look good to me. Isabella (McDonald) Murrell was married to Wilmot Orley Wiles Nov 23 or 25, 1920.
Did you find Wilmot's death?

I still have to find when Isabella and hubby went to the US. I think the border crossings database should have that. Hopefully long ago and the 2 Murrell kids are with her (them).
Just went thru all the 1962 voter registrations for Los Angeles County and they're not there in 1962. Of course, could have been living outside of LA too.

[Jacquie in Canada]

I saw a border crossing document for a Wilmot Robert Wiles who moved to New Jersey with his wife. The birth date was a little off (23 May instead of 3 May). He listed his closest relative in Canada as his father Wilmot of Toronto. The document was dated 12 Jul 1947. If this is the correct family then it would appear Wilmot Sr. died after 1947 and privacy laws in Ontario cover that period. Currently death registrations are restricted after 1939. It is possible that Isabella went to the US after her husband died especially if some of her children were living there.

Jacquie

[Jacquie in Canada]

Third was Daniel George died 28 Oct 1919 at 6 months old.

FYI - the death registration indicates his name was Donald, not Daniel.

Jacquie