the smithy llansantffraid

[glyna]

Hi
I wonder if anyone can help my grandfathers uncle run the smithy in llansantffraid his name was James Morris his son also run it till 1960 his name was gruffudd allan Morris James came from llansilin  but was working the smithy in 1910  i know this bit as found a article  showing this he was also the verger and choirmaster  i know he is in our family tree as he was on my grandfathers death cert his name was John morris( he died at the smithy but buried in llansilin church )  and his wife was Elizabeth my grandfather was also John edward but known as ted
I hope someone knows something about this side of the morris as i have hit a brick wall
thanks
Glyn

[CaroleW]

Sorry - it's difficult to understand your post as it has no punctuation separating the various parts.

Do I have this right?

Your grandfather was called John Morris but was also John Edward Morris known as Ted

Your grandfathers uncle was James Morris from Llansilin who was running a smithy in 1910 in Llansantffraid and was also a verger and choirmaster

His son was Gruffudd Allan Morris who continued running the smithy until 1960

For us to help fill in any gaps you need to supply more info as follows:

When and where was John/John Edward Morris born

What year was his uncle,  James Morris the smithy,  born

When and where was Gruffudd Allan Morris born

If James was running the smithy in 1910 - have you checked the 1911 census for info on him at that time

If John/John Edward Morris was born pre-1911 - what info do you have from the 1911 census about him or his family

[glyna]

seems i have to say I'm sorry to you 1 for putting my post on twice
and 2 for not getting my punctuation  right
John Morris snr born 1849

James Morris about 1879
John Edward Morris 1903
do not know when Gruffed Allan Morris was born
and yes i have been on 1911 census as that is how i found out the address

[Gadget]

Hi Glyn

I think you've been looking for this family for a while now. I remember that there were a few problems because they lived in areas that were covered by Oswestry, Llanfyllin and Corwen Registration Districts.

I'll have a read through the old threads to refresh my memory and get back to you. 

Where were these Morrises in 1911?

Gadget


For my ref-   

  here and

here   

[Gadget]

Hi again Glyn

I've just been reading the first of your threads from last year   

Did you get the marriage cert of John Edward's grandparents in 1877? This should give you John Morris (b.c. 1850)'s father's name and occupation and his wife Elizabeth's maiden name.

John Morris (grandfather) was born Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant circa 1850.


Gadget

[Gadget]

On the 1851, there are two possible John Morris, b. Llanrhaeadr in 1850:

HO107/2499/660/33 - Turn pike Gate, Castellmoch.
Parents - Gomer and Elizabeth

and

HO107/2499/ 589/8 - Market Street, Llanrhaeadr
Parents - John and Margaret



Gadget

[Gadget]

I think that this is the Uncle James, aged 2 in 1881:

Bodlith, Llansilin
RG11/2656/24/1


Morris
John, 32, ag lab, b. Llanrhaeadr
Elizabeth, 31, b. Merionethshire, Cynwyd
Mary, 4, b. Denbighshire, Llanarmon
James. 2. b. -do-

Llanarmon and Llansilin are only a few miles apart


Gadget


PS - does this link in to your Pont y Meibion query, as P y M is just outside Llanarmon?

[Gadget]

I see from this message:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390518.msg2620606.html#msg2620606

that John Morris (1850)'s father was Gomer.

Glyn, I'm not sure what you are wanting now as we've done most of it before in the two threads of last May and June 


Gadget

[Gadget]

Marriage between Gomer Morris and Elizabeth Jones, Dec quarter 1849, Llanfyllin, vol 27 page 149

These will be John Morris (1850)'s parents and Elizabeth Morris and James Morris's grandparents and Ted's great grandparents and your great great great grandparents.

Gadget