william HOWELL Ellis

[jensquest]

Could a fresh pair of eyes have a look for a birth for me please.

William Howell Ellis b 1852 Wakefield consistent in all census including 1911.

I have a copy of his son's birth and marriage certs and he is using Howell as a middle name on both. I have found his marriage in 1879 and he is named as William Howell Ellis on the index, and I have his death in 1923 in Barnsley where he is William H Ellis, but, I can't find a birth. There is a William John Ellis birth for that year in Wakefield and thats the only one I can see.

Thanks

Jen

[tressle]

I am just putting this one forward as a last resort  -

Male Ellis, Q4 1852, Wakefield Volume 9c 41 (there are corresponding deaths but just in case they had not thought of a name)

Do you know when his parents married, could he have been registered as just William Howell.


Who were his parents, there is a baptism in September 1854, parents Charles and Elizabeth.

Tressle

[jensquest]

Hi Tressel,

This family are a nightmare!  His parents are Charles Ellis and Elizabeth/  Eliza Booth.  Charles either comes from Norfolk or London depending which census you look at, Elizabeth goes under both names at different times and was born in Pontefract.  I can't find their marriage, but they are together with her being an Ellis on the 1851.   She had a baby previously called Elizabeth/ Eliza who was given the name Booth and is with Elizabeths parents Hannah and Richard in 1851. ( mistranscribed as Rooth)

Ive looked at baptisms and theres no ryhme or reason to them - Eliza/ Elizabeth Booth born 1846 was baptised as Elizabeth Ellis in1853. William doesn't have a middle name at his baptism ( these are all submitted on IGI  ) and was baptised the same time as his younger brother Charles in 1854.

As seen as I can't find the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth, I was hoping to get this birth cert to see if I can get any more info on his father Charles.  Im not sure what to do next 

Any help is greatly appreciated with this family.

Jen

[tressle]

Hi

Well I have tried William Howell Ellis/Booth/just Howell etc and nothing jumps out. 

Funny how Charles Howell's birth pops straight up. 

Tressle

[jensquest]

Thanks for trying - you can see  what Im up against with this lot can't you 

Anyone else got any suggestions?

[libby9]

Hi Jen,

I think this may be him.  He's been indexed as William Samuel ELLISS [sic], but looking at the original sheet it could be William Howell Ellis (the first letter of the middle name definitely looks like 'H')

William Samuel Elliss, Jan - Mar 1852, Wakefield, 9c 34.

I hope it's him, fingers crossed 

[jensquest]

Thanks ever so much Libby, where did you see the original?

[jensquest]

If I pm you with my email address, would you be able to send me a copy of the original please?

[jensquest]

Ignore that last request Libby, Ive found the ref on freeBMD using that spelling of Ellis(S)  and also tried lookingf for Charles's marriage using the same spelling and have found a possibility with a missing spouse. Ive bitten the bullett and ordered both 
I just hope the marriage is the right one so I can find out who Charles's father was.

Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.

Jen