charles/pheobe crothers

[linda02]

hi ,
   back on the crothers scene with a bit more info ,now looking for info on these two
charles crothers c.1894 and pheobe?, who had a son james born 1914 pheobe  who ? ,i am after her maiden name and marriage date
charles had a sister called agnes  crothers ,i found these 2 on s.s.america travelling  to america in 1912 ,
next of kin was pheobe crothers of paxton street belfast

charles was killed in ww1 and pheobe remarried a robert gibb in c.1920 belfast ,they then  had  two more children mary and norman  gibb
any help gratefully recieved on this one

[akanex2]

Closest I could find is

Date of Marriage   12 Oct 1916
Groom Name   Herbert GIBB
Bride Name   Mary Jane CROTHERS
Church   Belmont Presbyterian Church
Parish   Holywood
Civil District   Belfast
County   Down

but christian names of bride and groom are both wrong!  "Herbert" could just about be a mistranscription of "Robert", I suppose.  It might just be worth ordering the certificate to see if Mary Jane was a widow as this marriage took place in the same church:-

Date of Marriage   27 Dec 1911
Groom Name   Charles F CROTHERS
Bride Name   Mary Jane LEWIS
Church   Belmont Presbyterian Church
Parish   Holywood
Civil District   Belfast
County   Down

Are you sure the name "Phoebe" is right?  You could also check out the Paxton Street address on the 1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   I have been having similar problems as above and I have found that the Commonwealth War Graves Commission only lists one WW1 death for a Charles Crothers and he was Canadian and his parents were listed as next-of-kin.

Regards

[linda02]

hi kingskerwell/akenex2,
                                 the grandaughter of charles is the one i am looking up for , she was the one who told me it was pheobe=but she could be wrong?
charles was in the canadian raf she thinks when he was killed, (he took off and left her) , so maybe the war graves could be on to something ,i have had a look on 1911 census for paxton street and nothing
this ones a nightmare

[akanex2]

There is a Charles Crothers in the 1911 census on Newtownards Road, Belfast (Victoria ward) aged 20 who could be your airman.  The father was also called Charles F Crothers.

[kingskerswell]

Linda,
        The one which I found was in the Artillery and died 1918 aged 21. See www.cwgc.org

Regards

[linda-1]

hi all,
 still got not much  further with the search for the crothers family
charles crothers b.c 1890 in belfast ,spouse could be pheobe?had son james ,daughter agnes
charles wife remarried possibly 1930 and had a daughter mary and son norman

 his son- james crothers b. 1914  not 1916 as stated on an old post was born in newcasle  england ,served in the canadian raf ww2 ,no signs of him there either
any help gladly accepted
doing this on behalf of james crothers daughter ,she does not know anything else apart from the above
,so absolute long shot
regards linda

[aghadowey]

I've merged today's post with the thread you already had to avoid needless duplication.
If you are trying to find details of James Crother's family the best place to start would be James' birth certificate which will show names of both parents.

[linda-1]

hi aghadowey.
 yes she will have to , as the birth is guesswork it may cost her  for nothing but  as will be as they say
a rellie said he was born newcastle
cheers linda