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The 1891 census returns from Netherpool Runcorn show Walter E Blackmore 29 born Somerset , his wife Lucy Ann 28 born Devon and children Walter E 6 and Thomas J 2  both born Swansea - no sign of baby Lucy Ann born 18.1.1891 and registered 20.2.1891 in Ellsemere Port  Runcorn.

Despite searching the 1891 census I have drawn a blank for a two and a half month baby. The family are complete and  together on the Runcorn 1901 census at Shaw Street,  However I cannot find Lucy Ann Blackmore (20) anywhere in the 1911 returns.
I believe her mother Lucy died in Cheshire about 1906 and in 1911 her father Walter and brother Thomas are in Bridgwater with Walter senior`s Grandparents, whilst brother Walter is married in Pontypridd South Wales.

Can fellow rootschatters suggest why a young baby is not with her mother on census day.  Also has anyone access to Runcorn school records etc which might provide information on the elusive Lucy Ann

Help will be really appreciated.

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 March 10 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps she was with Gran to give Mum a bit of peace? Baby doesn't have to be living there, only present at the time the census was taken.

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 March 10 15:32 GMT (UK) »
I see the Blackmore family are not at home in 1891 - they are described as 'visitors', so they need only to have been at that address for that one night and could well hjave left the baby with rellies rather than take her with them.
Having said that I cant see Lucy elsewhere!

What was their home address two and half months earlier on Lucy's bith cert?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 March 10 15:36 GMT (UK) »
She could have married before the 1911, or of course she might have died.
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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 March 10 15:51 GMT (UK) »
If there is any descrepancy in the age at the 1901 census. She could have died and they had another daughter who they called by the same name, quite common practice.

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 March 10 16:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Edwin,

you may find an interesting story there. 

I was looking at the 1891 to see if perhaps they were staying somewhere near a hospital to be near the baby while undergoing some sort of treatment, but discovered that this was not an ordinary residential area at all.

That page of the census, and at least several pages preceding that, describe the "street" as "Manchester Ship Canal Works" so it looks like it was some large encampment of people working to construct the new canal (finished in 1894).

Perhaps they were only very temporary visitors and had left the baby with another relative or friend or perhaps the baby was elswhere as it was not a safe environment for such a young child.

She may have been a "nurse child", or in hospital, or somewhere similar where her full name / accurate details might not be recorded.
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 March 10 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked the address where Lucy was born yet?
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 March 10 16:24 GMT (UK) »
She did not die as i have found her in 1901 - i'll type the details
Cutcliffe- Devon
Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
Gamble and Clement Calcutta
SHAW-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
WILD-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
GAMBLE-BARNSTABLE.DEVON

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Re: BABY LUCY ANN BLACKMORE NOT WITH HER MOTHER ON 1891 CENSUS NIGHT WHY!!!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 March 10 16:50 GMT (UK) »
living shaw st with Charles Shipley (Lucy's brother.)

charles age born 1855 (age 45 in 1901) BORN dERBYSHIRE

Walter age 38 carter
Lucy    43
edwin  17
thomas  13
lucy 11


RG13 3336  FOL 43 PAGE 3
Cutcliffe- Devon
Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
Gamble and Clement Calcutta
SHAW-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
WILD-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
GAMBLE-BARNSTABLE.DEVON