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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #18 on: Friday 05 March 10 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Nice one Carol ;D

Anyway, I've done some digging, and there are 2 Sir Walter Scotts around at that time...father and son, and Senior is 1st Baron Scott, and junior is the first Earl of Buccleuch.

Robert Ker(r) of Cessford was Earl of Roxburgh.

The interesting thing is that both these guys and my Thomas Lyon are all related to the Douglas family. This means that he probably is the guy I thought he was, and I may as well explain now that the word I am stuck on, I am thinking could be 'Glamis'.

I know there was a Thomas Lyon who held this position, but I didn't dare think that he was in my tree. This could be  now practically positive proof that my ancestor was Robert the Bruce. 
One other person a few years ago saw the word and suggested Glamis, but I didn't want to get my hopes up ....still find it hard to believe actually!! ???

Any more input would be much appreciated.
, Sheilah
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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #19 on: Friday 05 March 10 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Just been looking through some records and seen Glamis spelt 'Glammis', which seems nearer to the mystery word.
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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #20 on: Friday 05 March 10 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Well if you have Lyon that is part of the Queen Mothers name. and the Duke of Buccleuch is related to the Queen. Also Douglas was related to Robert de Brus as far as I know. He was called Black Douglas and his castle is at Threave near Castle Douglas and the Buccleuch residence is not that far away in Drumlanrig near Dumfries so think you may have something there.

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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #21 on: Friday 05 March 10 20:28 GMT (UK) »
Sheilah,  the Lyon's became Earls of Kinghorn in 1606, they seem to have been John or Patrick around that time, one was Chancellor of Scotland, courtesy titles Glamis, Sidlaw etc' strange the two godfathers were Border big shots, not from Strathmore, who was the mother?....Skoosh.
P.S done a bit of Googling. Thomas Lyon was prominent in the "Raid of Ruthven" he fled to England a couple of times, his second wife was Euphame Douglas, a daughter of the Earl of Morton. He returned to Scotland and ended up on good terms with James VI, he held the Barony of Dod, residing at Auldbar in Angus. The clerk who wrote the entry in the register never dreamt that four hundred years on, his handwriting would be subject to expletives right around the globe!

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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #22 on: Friday 05 March 10 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Skoosh,

Yes, Google....where would we be without it! I keep picking up snippets of information, but didn't have all that you mention. I knew Thomas was a bit of a lad and had several mistresses, however, there appear to be 2 of Thomas Lyon...father and son.

The first was born around 1548/50 at Auldbar, to John Lyon,Earl of Glamis and Janet Keith. I couldn't see him being the father, although he had several wives. But he had a son Thomas in about 1570. I considered him to be the father of Alexander, as he is the one that was 'Master of Glammis', while being heir presumptive. ( I got this from Ancestry and Google). He relinquished the title twice, but was actually Master when Alexander was born.

I have found him as being married to Agnes Gray, but the elder Thomas was also married to her....or the records have become confused.  :-\

I have looked on The Peerage site as well for information on them. So far though, Alexander's mum is just plain 'Mrs Thomas Lyon'.

I must keep digging, he must have been honoured to have so many nobles around him when he was born/baptized!

I hope that 400 yr old clerk is having bad dreams about his handwriting ;D  ;D. He must have been very old or trying to develop his own secretary hand.
Sheilah

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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 06 March 10 08:17 GMT (UK) »
Sheilah,  there was also a Lyon of Collise, but that doesn't seem to fit the entry.  Eupham Douglas must have been the daughter of the Earl of Morton who invented the guillotine, ("The Maiden"- its in the National Museum) built for dealing with the nobility, and ended up getting a short back & sides himself! A previous Lady Glamis was burned as a witch. Lovely family Sheilah!!!
Nice Find Duckweed.......Skoosh.

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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 06 March 10 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Sheilah, that was Lyon of Cossins (not Collise) full of the cold so not thinking straight! the Lady Glamis who was burned was Janet Douglas, daughter of the Earl of Angus (Red Douglas's).....Skoosh.

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Re: Help to decipher an old BC
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 06 March 10 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Wow! If this keeps up, maybe I'll be wishing I'd never found them :o ::) ;D

They sound like the family from hell ;D ;D ;D

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