John Hanna and Martha McCullough

[valeriec]

Many months ago I started a thread about my great grandparents Abraham Hannah and Margaret Dougherty and through the help of many people I have found what I believe to be relatives of the above. Through years of searching I have traced the Hanna's back to Desert/Dysart, County Down. I believe that my greatgreat grandparents, Abraham Hanna and Ellen Reid plus other Hanna's and Reid's were living in Desert in 1851 and earlier. 

I am now looking for information on John (Jack) Hanna and Martha McCullough from Dysart, County Down. I have information on their marriage on June 17, 1879. which has his father as Abraham Hanna, farmer. The information that I found has them married in Downshire Presbyterian but the census has Martha as belonging to Ryan's Presbyterian. I also have some information from the 1911 Census of Ireland, residents of house #31 in Desert, Coobane, Down. I have traced four of their sons Joseph, Abraham, Thomas and Alexander to Brooklyn, New York, USA between the years 1910 and 1922. The fifth son, James, may have stayed in Ireland.

I am trying to prove that John (Jack) Hanna and my great grandfather Abraham were brothers. I also think that I may have found my great great grandfather's death on the family search pilot site. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fill in the blanks. If I order Abraham's death certificate, what information will it give me. Any suggestions on how to proceed to prove the connection would be appreciated. Also, I would like to find descendants of any of their children who may also have information on the family.

[aghadowey]

Here's a link to previous thread:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,358547.0.html

There is only limited information on death certificates. See here for details:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html

Here's a link to 1911 census page:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002271283/
The interesting thing about the census is under birthplaces. There are more places than people and the last one is 'America' which makes it look as though one of the children could have been born in America. Also, under religion  I think the whole family belonged to same church but that 'Presbyterian' was written on the first line and then the name of their church on the lines below.

[valeriec]

Regarding the 1911 census and more entries than people, I think two are for Thomas and James who are working as labourers at another farm in Desert and Joseph who immigrated to USA in 1904.

Through my thread on the USA, I have found more info on Joseph. He married a Grace, also from Ireland. Now I need to find out if they married in Ireland or the USA. Also Joseph immigrated in 1904 and possibly died in 1923. It is also possible that Joseph's widow married his brother Abraham.

Thanks to all who have posted to any of my threads. It is a slow process but I continue to piece the puzzle.

Any information on James, who remained in Ireland, would be appreciated.

[valeriec]

I am continuing to find information on the Hanna brothers that immigrated to Brooklyn New York. I believe that one brother Thomas returned to Northern Ireland at some point. I still haven't been able to find deaths for John or Martha. Does Ryan's Presbyterian Church still exist and if so does anyone know if it had a cemetery and where I could follow up on this. Thanks.
Val

[aghadowey]

Two pictures here- looks like it has a burying-ground but you'd also need to check for burials in local Church of Ireland churchyard
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeanmccarthy36/latest_church_photos.htm

[silveryfox]

Hi

In your earlier post you asked about information on Page 228 of the RSJ Clarke book. This is in the Appendix and describes Old Age Pension Census Search Forms which can be used as a substitute for the destroyed 1841 and 1851 Census's. There are two entries for "Desert" as a townland - one for "Hanna (Reid)" and one for "Hanna". The National Archives of Ireland reference for both is CEN/S/8/1048. The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) also has holdings of these forms - the PRONI reference is T550. Suggest you check with NAI whether they can supply a photocopy.

From your latest post you have already checked the 1901 and 1911 Census records, however I found a record for a Joseph Hanna and sisters Margaret Jane and Mary, all born Dysart, living in Postley Place, Newry North Urban, these may be relations (see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newry_North_Urban/Postley_Place/1247399/).

HTH
Jim

[valeriec]

Thank you for the information on the 1901 census. I had missed that entry. I believe this could be siblings of my great grandfather Abraham. He used a naming pattern when naming his children and the names on the 1901 census are names of some of his children. I will try to follow up on this.

Val