frewen family

[Jonathan Frewen]

Hello,
I know I am 6 years late.
However, I have almost finished writing a family history which partially includes the Frewens, mostly in England, from 1470 to date.
My father Roger 1914-1972 took me to Tipperary in 1967 to meet up with a family of 4 successful Frewen brothers.  This was the first time the two branches of the family had met for 300 years.  Those family members who had supported Cromwell found themselves in Ireland at the Restoration and decided to stay.  The Family royalists were royally rewarded for their support and their money which had paid for Charles II's army, two of them lived in Holland under Cromwell with prices on their heads.
It was a happy reunion.  I was 13 and I remember the full-sized snooker table in their house!
My great-grandfather Moreton Frewen 1853-1924 was MP for Cork, briefly.
We have Leslie cousins in Galway and Monaghan - Castle Leslie.
Please feel free to get in touch if you would like to share more information.

[Bob Frewen]

Hi Jonathan,
Six years is nothing in the history of the Frewens!
The visit by you and your father was to Robert Anthony (Robin) Frewen at ‘Ardnachree’, originally his parents’ home in Tipperary. He succeeded his father William (1862-1933) in the family law firm, still extant as ‘Kennedy Frewen’ but it no longer has a family connection. Although William had 12 children, including seven sons, only one son married, and he had just one son who is unmarried. William’s daughters had issue in Ireland and Canada. That branch is connected to mine in the 1700s.

Regarding the Frewen branch in Ireland, there is a considerable amount of misinformation online, due to widespread copy/paste of erroneous data or unsourced assertions. From his correspondence with Ireland’s Ulster King (Chief Herald) it's evident your great great grandfather, Thomas F of Northiam (1811-70) was unaware that after the death of Joseph F (1598-1602) another Joseph was born (1606). The omission was repeated by H. Warne in the catalogue of the Frewen papers. However, Joseph is mentioned several times in the 1628 will of his father Rev. John. I am confident that the ‘Captain Frewen’ killed at Kilkenny in 1650 was this Joseph and the founder was Thomas, whose older half-brother, Thankful, in his will of 1656, has Thomas as a beneficiary.
Glad to be of help on the Irish branch if required.

[Jonathan Frewen]

Bob, Thank you so much for your response, I am grateful for the Tipperary information.

Below I have found out the Frewen line from which I am descended and which might be of interest to you too.  I have a bit more information from Worcester Cathedral's archives if that interests you as well, I can post it here?

Where in Ireland do you live, please?  I visit about once a year in Dublin, Monaghan and Galway, all my Leslie cousins and the Vandenberghe family in Tipperary, their grandson is my godson, Oscar Gidley-Kitchin.  And you know about Innishannon and Moreton's house which was burned down in the Troubles in 1922?

Best wishes.

The Frewen straight-line chronology from 1364

John Frewen in Worcester in 1364.  Probably his grandson:
Richard Frewen lived from (1400-1499)
Richard Frewen de Forthey (d.1546)
Roger Frewen (d. 1576) who married Eleanor Bartlett
Richard Frewen, who married Margaret Greenwood (d. 1598)
Reverend John Frewen (1560-1628) who married Eleanor Butler (d. 1606)
Stephen Frewen (1600-1679), who married Katherine Scott (1602-1679)
Thomas Frewen (b. 1630) third wife, Bridget Laton (d.1679)
Reverend John Frewen (1677-1735), who married Rachel Stephens (1675-1751)
Reverend Thomas Frewen (1708-1791) who married Esther Simpkin (d. 1803)
Colonel John Frewen (1755-1829), who married Eleanor Clark (1786-1879)
Thomas Frewen (1811-1870) second wife, Helen Louisa Homan (1821-1901)
Edward Frewen (1850-1919) who married Anne Mary Byng (d. 1922)
Thomas Frewen (1874-1928) who married Maud Bowers, née Blake (1885-1971)
Edward Peter Blake Frewen (1921-1943) – line extinct
Edward Laton Frewen (1877-1941) who married Ethel Lilian Salter
Edward Frewen (1905-1992) who married Mabel Inkster (1908-1983)
William Edward Laton Frewen (b. 1940) who married Catharine Auburn Frerichs (b. 1943)
Duncan Edward Frewen (b. 1968)


Edward Frewen (1850-1919)’s brother:

Moreton Frewen (1853-1924), who married Clara Jerome (1852-1935)

Hugh Moreton Frewen (1883-1967), who married Princess Maria Elena Camilla Nunziante (1886-1974)

Roger d’Hauteville Moreton Frewen (1914-1972), who married the Hon. Helen Alexandra Briscoe Gully (b. 1934)

[Jonathan Frewen]

Bob,

There were two other Irish Frewens in the 1960's living in England:

Arthur Frewen was a school master at Hawtreys prep school, who taught English and who wrote the play The Man in the Green Coat which was shown in the West End of London in 1962.

William known as Bill Frewen; his wife Eileen and son William, they lived at Gerrard's Cross. Bill was a gynaecologist.

Any information from whence they came please?

[Bob Frewen]

Jonathan,
Thanks for that info. I’ve not progressed beyond Richard F who was Bailiff of Worcester in 1473. I have some records of ‘odd’ Frewens prior to that date, around Hanley Castle (and elsewhere) but cannot connect them to Richard. (Mainly from Dr. Toomey's work.)

Rev. John  F (d1628) is our common ancestor, you descend from his son Stephen, the Irish branch from Thomas, a son from Rev. John’s second marriage (to Helen Hunt).
Arthur F (1912-2002) the teacher/playwright you mention also had a play staged in the Abbey Theatre in Dublin, and there is a record of his correspondence with Micheál Mac Liammóir in the National Library (or Nat. Archives?). Arthur was one of the sons of William the solicitor mentioned above and was an older brother of. William F MD. The latter married Eileen Courteney, whose sister Kathleen Courteney married Josef Vandenbergh, hence the connection.
I’ve sent you a message on LinkedIn – use it to send me your email so we can continue in a less public forum.
Best wishes,
Bob

[MissySym]

Hi,

Just to let you know that some of Jonathan’s names of the Frewen family are inaccurate.
He has not mentioned my name (Symantha Frewen born 1965) as being the sister of Duncan Edward Frewen (born 1968), and my grandfather Reginald Edward Frewen (died 1992) married Mabel Alberta Inkster (died 1983).

Duncan and my parents are William Edward Laton Frewen and Catharine Auburn Frewen

Sam

[Bob Frewen]

Hi Sam,
I have just discovered your post – it seems updates on this board appear not to be 'pushed’?
In fairness, Jonathan's tree is not wrong, he was not detailing a descendent tree – he was listing his own male line down through Moreton F ( 1853-1924). You probably already know your descent - your grandfather Reginald Edward Frewen married Mabel Inkster daughter of William Cullen Inkster of Trent River, Ontario, Canada. Reginald’s  parents were Edward Laton Frewen (1877-1941) and Ethel Salter and his grandparents were  Edward Frewen (1850-1919) and Mary Byng. Edward was the older brother of Moreton F. mentioned earlier, which makes you and Jonathan  third cousins once removed.
Regards,
Bob

[MissySym]

Hi,

He has got it wrong as his list states that Mabel Inkster married Edward Frewen.  And he didn’t even put my name down as being the sister of Duncan Frewen at the end of the list. 

I think I know enough about my family lineage to know when there is a blatant mistake in the history.  I think you should check your facts, not me. 

I don’t really care about the list before my grandparents.

Sam Frewen