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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #189 on: Sunday 07 March 10 09:04 GMT (UK) »
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We can all sit here all day pointing this out pointing that out, the fact is vote with your money and find better cheaper ways to get the certs ieLocal Reg office, the problem with that being that next year due to "high demand" their prices will go up!

Local Register Office rates are going up to 9GDP so you won't be saving much.

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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #190 on: Sunday 07 March 10 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Unless none of your family moved in the last almost 200 years, it's not your local office that you need to worry about.

Use of local Registration Offices has always involved the extra step of finding roughly where the family event occurred.  Then you apply, usually by post, to the Office that most likely registered the event.  If you send all the details that you know, including whether this is certain or just highly probable they can then use that to find the record or at least establish that they don't have it.  

They usually have a phone number for a real person who can answer questions on what the details on the cert mean or sometimes even confirm in advance if you expect a particular father or a mother's maiden name, for instance.  As an example, I have even been able to query whether a time of birth indicated a twin, and in that case no, all the entries on the pages around that date had times entered and no evidence for another child in my family at the same time.

This method also has the huge advantage that what you get in return is the "primary" evidence of the event registration, rather than a copy that was sent on to GRO (hence their certs are only "secondary" evidence).

Obviously, it does not guarantee that the details recorded are correct but, especially with the photocopy entries, it does ensure that you get what was recorded in the first place and not what someone else thought it said.

And with a Thursday to Saturday turn-around as I experienced this week, this system seems more efficient and much more suited to historical searches.

Sadly, as someone has pointed out earlier, not all local Registration Offices offer this facility but, where they do, then it would be my preference every time.
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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #191 on: Sunday 07 March 10 09:21 GMT (UK) »
Thing is they would sell so many more at 5 pounds each, than they ever will at 10 pounds, ...


I'm definitely with you on this one richarde1979.

Personal example,
England&Wales certified copies, direct line only and less than half a dozen extra's just to confirm difficult connections.

Irish photocopies of entries at approximately half the price, "all the sisters and the cousins and the aunts", etc. when I can find them, to build up a full picture of each family and work out the stories about how these families lived.
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Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #192 on: Sunday 07 March 10 10:02 GMT (UK) »
So as the GRO know, they are holding us to ransom. So they can pretty much charge what they want and will continue to do so, I would bet my years wage that it wont be another 7 yeas till they go up. This time in 2 years we will be having this same discussion, if we are lucky!
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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #193 on: Sunday 07 March 10 11:03 GMT (UK) »
I shall still order from the GRO but not as many certs as I do now.
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DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #194 on: Sunday 07 March 10 11:52 GMT (UK) »
"More and more people are now buy certificates, overheads will have gone up over the last 7 years - stationery (paper, inks envelopes etc.,) postage, time taken for getting the getting the books holding the certificates out, photo-copying them and returning them to their original place, and so on."


Which just proves the system, in a digital age, is hopelessly outdated and IS the problem, not the pricing. I only assume the people who regard nine pounds as good value for a single certificate have no ancestors outside England and Wales, and this view is the result of a genuine unawareness of the much better, and fantastically cheaper or even free systems in place in many places outside our borders.
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Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #195 on: Sunday 07 March 10 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Thing is they would sell so many more at 5 pounds each, than they ever will at 10 pounds, ...


I'm definitely with you on this one richarde1979.

Personal example,
England&Wales certified copies, direct line only and less than half a dozen extra's just to confirm difficult connections.

Irish photocopies of entries at approximately half the price, "all the sisters and the cousins and the aunts", etc. when I can find them, to build up a full picture of each family and work out the stories about how these families lived.

Spot on with my sentiments Dudley. I have double the ancestors in England than Scotland, but have spent roughly 150 pounds on Scotlands People this year. Totally happy with the pricing and service too, no complaints, excellent value for money. In contrast, until this price rise anyway, I hadn't ordered a single certificate in England, and last year ordered perhaps 6 for the entire year.

It's a real shame too because being able to order more or less all the certificates in Scotland for not just direct line, but  siblings, aunts, uncles etc, shows how all important certificates really are, and how often they open up a wealth of information on an ancestor or their family, or an avenue you were totally unaware of. You end up with a comprehensive, interesting, and this is the most important part in my eyes, WELL researched and ACCURATE tree.

In contrast in England and Wales, you budget yourself to JUST what you can afford, and with certs now approaching eight times that of downloading one on Scotlands people, well unless your lucky enough to be fairly well off you are left  cutting corners out of neccesity.
Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #196 on: Sunday 07 March 10 12:25 GMT (UK) »
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Which just proves the system, in a digital age, is hopelessly outdated and IS the problem, not the pricing. I only assume the people who regard nine pounds as good value for a single certificate have no ancestors outside England and Wales, and this view is the result of a genuine unawareness of the much better, and fantastically cheaper or even free systems in place in many places outside our borders.

Some American & Canadian historical certificates are certainly available online either as images or transcriptsbut far from all, Scottish historical registers are on Scotlandspepole but if you want an actual certificate or its non historical it costs 10 GDP  ( you can do your own transcriptions in some locations in Scotland) but as for Australian certificates they are far dearer than England  (some states do have online indexes with more info than England) but getting a non historical certificate is extremely difficult. Just to give you an example, I was born in England so anyone can apply for a copy of my birth certificate, I married in Australia so to get a copy of my marriage certificate you would need to complete a form and include 3 forms of Identification for yourself (originals if applying in person, if applying by mail photocopies must be authenticated by a police officer) written permission from myself and 3 forms of my Identification.  I certainly don't begrudge paying 9.25 GDP for a certificate

It would be ideal if the GRO had a similar system to Scotland but to do so would require legislation and also find the money to set it up which could be quite substantial. I think I read that Scotland used Millenium Funding to start there system, unfortunately today there are far more important things that require funding so I very much doubt if there will be any change in the near future  

Andy

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Re: new price for GRO certs
« Reply #197 on: Sunday 07 March 10 12:43 GMT (UK) »



 I only assume the people who regard nine pounds as good value for a single certificate have no ancestors outside England and Wales, and this view is the result of a genuine unawareness of the much better, and fantastically cheaper or even free systems in place in many places outside our borders.

 Hi,  GRONI (Northern Ireland's Gro)  is far more expensive than England and Wales GRO ( where 50% of my ancestors are from, my mum is N  Irish and my dad is Welsh)
I've been paying 11 pounds for a certified cert for the past few years with no postage charges on top From N Ireland Gro online ordering service ( I'm in Aus), whilst my certified  certs from the England and Wales Gro have been only 7 pounds  - Groni 's current costs are  12 pounds plus postage costs on top, - still far more expensive than England and Wales . Don't assume people who think 9 pounds is good value have no ancestors outside England and Wales.

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