Can anyone help please.

[Kathc]

haywood

Thank you for that information, it looks like I must wait again to see if sarag, is able to help, when I can get in touch with him or her.

I do appreciate all the help rootschat people give.

Kathc

[heywood]

Hello again,

Just having a another look- Sarag has George born 10 Burns Street Bootle.
A search of Free BMD, only has a George William Clews b 1904 West Derby which covers Bootle - no others.
I can't see him in 1911.

heywood

[Kathc]

Hi haywood

I wonder if William Clews, the father named on the marriage cert for John & Alice, possibly, was from Bootle originally, and 10 burns St was the family home.
I know there can be big age gaps with siblings, my brother is twenty years older than me, but only this sarag can possibly solve the mystery.

Kathc

[heywood]

Hi Kath,
it is intriguing. I thought he was more likely to be a son of your John and Alice- born before marriage but as I can't find him in index 1911 and he is not with your family that doesn't look likely. I can't see him in the  1911 index.

heywood

[DS]

Hi

Here is a bit of information for you all to work with ....

George William Clews was born at Burns Street, Bootle in September 1904. His parents were George Clews (Dock Labourer) and Sarah Ann Clews nee Digance.

George Clews, aged 21 and Sarah Ann Digance, aged 20 married on 11th November 1895 at St Peter’s Fraserburgh. His parents were William Clews (General Labourer) and Elizabeth Clews nee Evans (Deceased). Her parents were John Thomas Digance (General Labourer) and Sarah Digance nee Simmonds.

William Clews and Elizabeth Evans married in 1873 at Dudley. John Thomas Digance and Sarah Simmonds married in 1864 at East Grinstead.

On the 1881 Census (East Grinstead RG11/1057 Folio 34 Page 62) George Clews, aged 5 born at Dudley, is living at Cemetery Road, East Grinstead with his parents and two sisters.

It would seem that this could be the family of John Clews (who married Alice Martha Kitchen in 1905 at Bootle).

Over to you ... to fill in any other details that can be found.

DS

[DS]

 
This now looks very likely .....

Birth Registration

1881 East Grinstead AMJ quarter 2b 164 - John Clews

DS

[heywood]

This is a bit of a trip around UK!

I can't find the family as yet in 1891.

1901 has a George Clews b 1875 Dudley,  married to a Sarah b 1875 Pennington Lancs.  They are living in Sunderland district, Durham and their daughter Elizabeth was born in Swansea, Glamorganshire. If this is the couple who married in Fraserburgh we have been everywhere almost. 

1901 RG13; Piece: 4713; Folio: 63; Page: 51

When I first saw them, I thought 'oh good - Durham' but am at a loss as to how East Grinstead becomes Barnard Castle.

In 1881 Sarah Ann Digance is living Sussex too - her father a ganger on the railways so that is perhaps why they move around - both her family and the Clews

[DS]

... am at a loss as to how East Grinstead becomes Barnard Castle.

East Grinstead is not that far from Gravesend. Alice Martha Kitchen was born at Hury which is not that far from Barnard Castle. It seems that John might have transposed their respective birth places on the 1911 census entry ? If he spent some of his childhood at Gravesend, he might have thought that was where he was born.

That is definitely the correct family in Sunderland in 1901. Her mother is also living in Sunderland RG13/4719 Folio 146 Page 57

DS

[heywood]

Yes I noticed that DG. I can't see the Digance family in 1891 so at the moment, it looks as though they and the Clews family were in Scotland perhaps.
However, they don't seem to show on the indexes there either.