William Winstanley from Holywell b. abt. 1778

[Rah1980]

I would assume then Pam that perhaps John came from an illegitimate child of Clement, or a daughter who discounted her husbands surname and would rather her children carry her maiden name so that they would get further in life? As you say the Winstanleys were Catholic (odd he should be buried in St James' but was that neccessary with persurcution etc?) In my Holywell records I have as follows :-

Thomas s/o Edward and Sarah Baptised 6/11/1787
Thomas Barns bastard son of ? Winstanley and Jane Barns baptised 17/5/1789
Elinor Wynstanley d/o Edward and Sarah baptised 12/2/1791
Edward Winstanley  s/o Edward and Sarah baptised 23/7/1796

Mary Winstanley (otp) married Edward Owens (Halkyn) 20/11/1802 witnessed by Thomas ? and Mary Jones

John Winstanley age 54 widow (otp) s/o Thomas & Elizabeth married by licence Mary Ann Hartshorn age 40 (otp) d/o Ralph and Mary witnessed by John Cadman and Elizabeth Daeks

Possibly more to follow...

[Rah1980]

More...(date of John marriage was 17/6/1804)

Edward W (27) widow s/o Thomas & Martha married spinster Sarah Rydderch (23) d/o John & Elinor married on 21/7/1787 witnessed by David Jones and Hester Barker (by banns)

A John and Esther Winstanley were witnesses to the marriage of Richard Henesey of Allstone Staffs (25) and Hannah Wood otp (29) on 21/10/1787

John W (23) S/O John & Esther married by licence on 2/2/1797 Julia Ann Roddes (24) d/o John & Mary witnessed by Charles Winstanley and Mary Ball

And that appears to be it for the records I hold of Holywell

Sarah     

[lottielou]

Again, many thanks Sarah,

The record about John and Esther witnessing the marriage of Richard Henesey of Allstone Staffs  and Hannah Wood on 21/10/1787, is interesting if Esther is indeed Hester Wood of Allstonefield Derbyshire.  Would they be one and the same place do you think?

Regards   Pam

[Rah1980]

Sorry you have confused me - doesn't take much!  Hannah Wood of Holywell married Richard Henessey of Allstone Staffs (might well be same place you would have to look into counties at the time of marriage), who is Hester Wood???

I thought the John marriage 1804 could be yours but second marriage dates seemed to fit but you might already have this info?

[lottielou]

Hello again Sarah

It seems that one of my messages has got lost in the ether.

I was explaining that I think I may have found a record for John's first marriage to a Hester Wood (signs her name Esther) from Alstonefield I presume in Derbyshire.  The witnesses are both Wood Presumably her parents, but it does state that John is from Ashbourne which is a town nearby.  So if he and Esther were witnesses to a marriage to a Hannah Wood in Holywell, then this could be a relative but I could find no further Winstanley's in the surrounding area near Alstonefield.  Also I have no proof of this as they are just parish records and again no links to Clement Winstanley!

The marriage to Mary Ann Hartshorn is his second wife I think as the dates fit, he has a further 3 children after Esther's death and the first child was christened Mary Ann.

I think that was all I wrote, hope it explains the second message, sorry to confuse!! 

Regards

Pam

[Rah1980]

It makes sense now! So Hannah Wood could be Esthers little sister or niece. And if that is John's second marriage you have who his parents were (if you didn't have it before) I am sure those others must fit in somewhere!

Sarah 

[Rah1980]

Since you think it might be relatives here is the record of Hannah Woods marriage ss i view it in my records 21/10/1787

Parties                                 Parish           st.    Bn/lic            Witnesses
Richd HENESEY     25            Alstone          B       L                 John Winstanley
s/o Robert & Ann                 Staffs
Hannah WOOD X   29           otp                 Sp                        Esther Winstanley
d/o Henry & Esther

Sarah

[lottielou]

Once again, thank you Sarah, sorry for the delay in replying, I've been entrenched in research about the persecution of Catholics and Quakers in Derbyshire and Staffordshire! There were quite a number of Winstanley's involved.
Yes, I think that that record does belong to John and Esther from Holywell.
If you come across anymore information I would be very grateful.
Kind regards
Pam

[Rah1980]

It is amazing to think that we can view a marriage record from 1787, quite assounding really when you think about it. Am glad to have been of help.

Sarah