Which Catherine Quine?

[arevans777]

In 1855, My great great grandfather William Evans married Catherine Quine in Liverpool. In subsequent census entires her birth year is given as 1828, 1830, but mostly 1829. Her age at death also indicates her birth year as 1829. The place of birth is given mostly as just Isle of Man. In one case it is given as Douglas, and another Onchan.

The problem is that I can't find a Catherine Quine born in Douglas (Bradden) or Onchan between the years of 1827 and 1833. 

According to the pre-1830 Quine database (and IGI) in 1827 there is a Catherine Quine born to John Quine and Cath Kelly in Bradden . This is probably the most likely link. But there is no record of a marriage, and no other children by the same parents, and no record of this family in the census data of 1841 or 1851.

In the 1841 and 1851 census, there are some other Catherine Quines listed in Douglas, but they are all too young, but I suppose not beyond possibility.

There is a Catherine Quine born in 1829 to John Quine and Jane Quane, but they lived in Kirk German. She is with her parents on the 1841 and 1851 census returns. There is evidence that this Catherine Quine's sister, Ann, went to work in Liverpool, so there is a good chance Catherine followed suit.  However, this may be entirely the wrong, especially if she got married, left home, and started a family in IoM. If anyone can lay claim to this Catherine Quine, or prove that she remained in IoM, I can eliminate this possibility.

I've also considered that my Catherine Quine moved to Liverpool as a young child, but there is no census data I can find to support this. 

Any other research suggestions or info that may help me make a positive link would be much appreciated. In the meantime I have ordered a marriage certificate. I'm hoping it will give some additional clue, and at least confirm her father's name and occupation.

Antony.

[Frances_mnb]

you forget the manx custom - illegitimate children named after father - cath would appear to be in 1841 census with ?mother Ann (now ann gawin ?) in Marown - head of household Robt Key who is dead by 1851 - can't find in 1851 - there may be an appearance of her mother (children's name not given) in presentments for fornication (original records manx museum) but Douglas St Matthews was very lax in indicating illegs or in presenting for fornication.

[arevans777]

Frances,

Thank you! It's not that I forget. I never knew that. Although I did suspect that she may have been illegitimate. Well, that does add more substance to the 1827 Bradden Catherine. I have seen the 1841 Marown census before, but at the time I did not have the Quine-Kelly birth, or any Bradden connection.  It now takes on more significance.

The immediate neighbours of the German Quines, are the Kellys, John and Catherine, in both the 1841 and 1851 returns... but probably just a coincidence.

But you've given me a vital lead. Thanks.

[arevans777]

I have received the marriage certificate. It confirms her father as John Quine, a cooper. Her age at marriage on 27 August 1855 is given as 27. She was residing at Church St, Liverpool. They married at the Church of St Michael. The marriage was witnessed by John Deakin and Jane Quine.

Her age puts her right in the middle of the two possible christening dates, 13 May 1827 and 27 Dec 1829. Marrying a younger man, she would probably have erred on the side of youth.

Also the Kirk German John Quine, was a farmer.

But the Jane Quine has thrown me a bit. The Kirk German mother was Jane Quine. Could it be her mother? No, more likely it is some other relative on her father's side.

Will have to investigate further.