Thank you Biggles, i have been going over to Kilkenny once a year for the past three years and met up with relations i had never met before it was great, i also traced my grandfather Walter Jackman [ of Bennettsbridge ] and my great grandfather on my Nans side John Donnelly of Thomastown, they both worked as labourers at Kilmurry house and when my grandad married John Donnellys daughter Bridget they lived in one of the gatehouses outside of Kilmurry house, i was invited into the house by the current resident and could not believe how small it was inside, it was two rooms, one 8 foot square the other about 7 foot square, that was where my father was born together with four other brothers and a sister, eventually they moved back to Bennettsbridge and had a house next to the Nore which was owned by the Mosse family [ the millers ] thank you again.