Halpins of Co. Wicklow, Portarlington and Dublin City - Part 2

[bray]

 That sounds reasonable. It all gets so confusing. I was sure that I had come up with the name earlier. I stand corrected,

[J.M. Flannery]

Hi all.

A long time ago when I was starting my research in the Registry of Deeds, I took down the following, among other things, as you can see I did not know much about taking the correct information, but here goes, it may be of some help. I never mastered the Reg. of Deeds.

Up to room with Spiral stars. Green cover book index to Corporation Towns to Land Index 1708 – 1919.
Book 1895: Green Book no 971. Vol 2 Wicklow = page 185.

Corporation Towns 1865.
                                               
p.90. Wicklow Murrough:
Grantors: Halpin, Louise W & oth.
Grantees: Halpin, George H & oth.   
Year of Registry: 1667. No of File = 13: No of Memorial = 73: page 329.

“Johnsvillle” at Wentworth Place fronting Church Hill.
Grantors: Halpin, Adelaide M & ano.
Grantees: Brennan John J.   
Year of Registry: 1917. No of File = 9: No of Memorial = 282:
Page: 195.


Wicklow Corporation Rentals 1839-1851.

Dr. John Halbert: Folio No 29:   1840/41/42: Vineyards.
Lease No 54.    Pd. by Miss Halbert for Vineyards.
n/b: The Old Church on Church Hill, was called “The Church of the Vines” my note

James Halpin: Folio No 74.  Registry of Deeds
Lease No 108 & 109 for 30 yrs from 25th March 1841 @ 5/= Rent and 3d. Duties, for Collywell Cabins in Wicklow.#

Julia

[BillW]

Dear Julia

May I encourage you to do more research like this!  It does a tremendous favour for those of us who might wish to do it but are prevented from doing so for whatever reasons - in my case, geographical reasons.  I don't know what time you have available or the ability to get to Dublin but there must be so much to be found in such records.

Re these findings: did you accurately describe Dr John HALBERT in the 1840s?  If so, here is the Halbert family for whom nothing previously had been found since Anne Halbert's marriage in 1814 to James Halpin.  I wonder if more can be found.  Given the year, 1840s, Dr John may well have been Anne Halbert's brother.

Of course, when you found this you knew nothing of its relevance then, I suppose.  Or that we would be looking so fervently for a family of Halpins.  Perhaps the most important find that could be made would be an association  with property, going back generations , for any of these families - Halpin, Halbert, Eaton, Cotter, etc.  They could be anywhere in Wicklow County but more probably in, or near, Wicklow Town.

Many thanks for these.  Bill.

[BillW]

Griffith’s Valuations Wicklow County

Thomas Halbert had on lease from Earl Fitzwilliam nearly 140 acres in Kilmullin Townland, seemingly in a triangle of land formed by the N11, the road to Woodstock and the road in from Kilmacullagh.  Which would the C of I parish church have been?

Esther Halbert had over 80 acres on lease from William H A Holmes at Ballynabarney, seemingly today between the N11 and the R751.  C of I parish church?  Wicklow?

Miss Esther Halbert also had just over an acre in Rathnew Parish of Corporation land that she leased to Henry McPhail.  Could this have been in Wicklow Town, or in Rathnew?

A Patrick Cotter had a free house in Rathnew town, seemingly in a row of houses, low value.
Bill

[J.M. Flannery]

Part 1: Reply no 2 from the late Christopher who started the Halpin thread in November 2007, to Nina giving her a list of Halpins in G.P.V. I would like to clarify these records a little.

Rep. James, Wicklow, Bridge Street, Civil Parish of Kilpoole, Wicklow Town 
George H., Wicklow, The Mall, Civil Parish of Kilpoole, Wicklow Town
Margaret, Wicklow, Fitzwilliam Square, Civil Parish of Rathnew, Wicklow Town
George, Island, Civil Parish Rathnew, ‘Island on Murrough’ Wicklow Rural
Robert, Ballynerrin Lower, Main St., Civil Parish Drumkay, Wicklow Town

Land Divisions: Borders didn't go back and forth so much as the division would cover more than one county. The best resource for finding out more about this, is www.from-ireland.net where explanation of Division of Land by County, Barony, Parishes, Townland as well as church parishes and Diocese. Poor Law Unions and Registration Districts (for after 1864 when mandatory registration took place) all cause confusion for the first while.
1  County:   2  Barony:   3  Parishes:   4  Townland:   5  church parishes
6  Diocese.   7  Poor Law Unions (P.L.U.)    8  Registration Districts

There was little ownership of land by common folk. Even Gentlemen and Esquires usually leased land as head tenants and sub-let to the regular folk. Some people would have more than one piece of land they farmed as many were let in small acreages, so you might find John Brown has a house and garden on one bit and he again has 1 acre down the road and another piece with 4 acres.

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 Julia

[J.M. Flannery]

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The Valuation Office: Located in Irish Life Centre, Abbey Street Lower, Dublin 1, it holds an archive of maps and rateable valuation records from 1850. This archive can be very useful in tracing occupation of particular properties over the years or can be used to locate the home of particular families if details of the townland or street name are available. Opening Hours: Monday to Friday-9.15am to 4.30 pm.
Estate records: Locating estate records is not always easy. You must first know the name of the estate owner. For 19th century families, Griffith's valuation, a "tax" assessed in the 1850s and 1860s, can be useful in determining the name. Other resources helpful in identifying estate owners have been published.
De Burgh, U.H. Hussey. The Landowners of Ireland: an Alphabetical List of the Owners of Estates of 500 Acres or £500 Valuation and Upwards in Ireland. Dublin:
Hodges, Foster, and Figgis, 1878 Landowners in Ireland. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., (1988). This is the same source as the previous cited reference but it is arranged by counties.
Lyons, Mary Cecelia. Illustrated Encumbered Estates Ireland 1850-1905. Whitegate, Co. Clare, Ireland: Ballinakella Press, (1993)
There are lots of good books out there which will help with your research. I mention only a few.
Grenham, John.  Tracing your Irish Ancestors (1992 and reprinted 1999).
John Grenham, Tracing Your Irish Ancestor: the Complete Guide (Dublin: Gill & Macmillian Ltd., 1992)
Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes and Baronies of Ireland. Based on the Census of |Ireland for the Year 1851. (1861, 1984, 1986, 1992)
Mitchell, Brian. A Guide to Irish Parish Registers (1988).
Ryan, James G. Irish Church Records:
Ryan, James G. Irish Records; Sources for Family & Local History (1988) ISBN 0-916489-22-1
Z5313.17R83 1988   (CS483)  016.929’3415 87-70107.
Revised Edition: Hardcover ISBN 0-916489-76-0.   Z5313.17R83 1997   (CS483)  016.9415 dc21.
Long winded Julia

[BillW]

Thank you, Julia.  You have reminded us that among the better known resources, we can sometimes be lucky if estate records have survived.

Fitzwilliam was a principal estate owner in and around Wicklow (was it to them that the Abbey devolved from the Eaton's?).  Who were others?  Does the local Wicklow historical society know of the survival of any local estate records?

As you say, families who were associated with land down many generations may have had that land from even bigger landholders, often English, and in the records of those estates were correspondence with tenants, lease details and all sorts of family research gold.
Bill.

[BillW]

Stating again, in 1814 at Wicklow parish church (C of I), James Halpin aged about 37 married Anne HALBERT, aged only about 17.  (These ages and place of marriage alone suggest that Anne was "of this parish" - but not necessarily James.)

Their first known child born about 1816 was Eliza.  The next child, first son, was named EATON COTTER Halpin.

The next child was named George HALBERT Halpin.

I know that I have stated this before.  But I want us to think about the implications of these names.  Why would you give your wife's surname to your second son but call your first son Eaton Cotter?  Let us think what this might owe to.

Was perhaps Elizabeth, James Halpin's mother, an Eaton or a Cotter?  Or, was Anne Halbert of a strong family (with money or land or connections) and was her mother an Eaton or a Cotter?  Or were perhaps these names that would link this family to Queen's County or elsewhere?

Did, perhaps, James in his Dublin days owe patronage to people of these names?  To date I have found a few Halberts and a seemingly extinct Wicklow family of Eatons but not a single likely Cotter.  It is an ongoing intriguing question to keep aware of.

Bill

[Shanachai]

The questions of patronage and extended lineage certainly are intriguing, Bill, and for the past week or two you've made real inroads into the origins of some of Wicklow's early Halpins.  I only wish I could contribute something of equal value but I'm tied up in other pursuits at the moment.  So you're flying solo as it were.  Thanks for the effort, mate.  Once I get the time to really study the implications of your recent work, I suspect many of the questions I've been asking myself about the links between the various branches of the Wicklow Halpin family tree will be answered by your findings.  And I hope my trip to the archives this week uncovers an answer or two to some of the questions you might be asking yourself.  Cheers.