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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 04 March 10 02:39 GMT (UK) »
Forgive me everyone for posting again.  May I just bring attention to some figures allied to names extracted from the latest.

James Halpin of Wicklow, age given as 69 on death in 1847, indicating birth up to 1777.

William Halpin of Wicklow, age given as 84 in 1861 Census, indicating birth up to 1777.

George Halpin of Dublin, age given as 75 at death in 1854, indicating birth up to 1779.

The generations of the Nicholas Halpin family are a bit out of sync with these.

William Henry Halpin married Crosthwaite in 1787.  I suppose he could have been born by 1770 but more likely in the 1760s.  His eldest known child Marianne was born about 1787.

When James Halpin had recorded in Wicklow the death of Louisa Halpin, "daughter of George Halpin of Dublin" in 1831 aged 21, if she had been his niece do you think he would have stated that?  Later there is recorded the death of Captain Frederick Halpin in 1859, "nephew of the above named James Halpin".

In any event, because of all this, are James, William and George related and, if so, how?  Is, perhaps, George a cousin of William and James, who are brothers, or are they all just cousins?  Does that distill what the revelations of the last week or so reveal?

Don't forget that William Halpin of Wicklow had sons Richard, William, John and Robert.  James Halpin in Wicklow had sons George, Thomas, Stopford William, Richard, two Roberts and two Johns, and a daughter Louisa, his first daughter after the death of George's Louisa.

As far as we know, George only had George, Oswald and Louisa but his son George had a son and grandson William as well as George, Robert, Margaret and Louisa.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #37 on: Friday 05 March 10 00:06 GMT (UK) »
May I extrapolate and speculate upon some other points about ages, dates, etc, from the recent material?
We have from these Wicklow gravestones new information about James Halpin and his mother Elizabeth, who is new to us; and we also learn of his sister, Margaret.  (By the way, if Louisa Halpin came down to Wicklow from Dublin about 1830 to her uncle James, she also came down to her older aunt Margaret.)

Elizabeth’s age was stated as 75 when she died the same year, 1814, in which her son James married in Wicklow, he aged about 37 that year.  So, Elizabeth would have been about 38 when James was born, around 1777.

These ages leave room for a few things (all speculative).
1.   It is highly likely that Elizabeth had more, earlier, children than James, who was born when she was about 38.  So, including Margaret (born about 1762), James more than likely had other siblings born in the 1760s and 1770s.  (Was William one of them?  And George?)  We have to be awake for Halpins who may fit this timeframe.
2.   If William Henry Halpin was also born in the 1760s, to Nicholas Halpin schoolmaster and Ann du Bois, it would possibly fit neatly that Elizabeth’s husband was a brother or cousin of Nicholas.
3.   If so, did Elizabeth’s branch leave for Wicklow/Dublin as early as the 1760s from around Portarlington, or did perhaps the Portarlington lot come from Wicklow.  As I have alleged before, the education boom in Portarlington would have sucked in people as booms do.  Did Nicholas go where the opportunity was rather than deriving from Portarlington?
4.   James, at about 37, was relatively late marrying.  William and George had children born a decade before James married Anne Halbert.  While I know of many men of this era who married late, or never married, the possibility remains that there was room for James to have had an earlier family to a wife who may have died.  However, to date we have noticed no evidence for this, but the possibility has to be there.
5.   Ray has suggested often, if I have it right, that James started out as a hot-headed distiller in Dublin with his brother William.  Is that right, Ray?  He has also painted the picture of many ardent Irish, especially protestants, seeing where their bread was buttered and quite quickly taking up with the establishment, where they were welcomed.  William seems not to have taken up his paymaster army commission until about 1807, with a developing war against Napoleon creating opportunities.  William would have been about 30.  Was this his settling down, just as James went (back?) to Wicklow to run a tavern and raise a very successful family?  Could someone in the Castle (who knew the Duke of Cambridge?) have got William his entry to the army at a relatively advanced age?
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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #38 on: Friday 05 March 10 04:12 GMT (UK) »
Away from all surrounding it, may I now reprise my question:  who could have been  “Captain Frederick Halpin nephew | of the above named James Halpin who departed | this life on the 26th of February 1859 aged 36 years”?  Have we heard of him before?

If he was buried under or remembered on his uncle’s memorial stone, what happened to his parents?  Is this another family feud?

In other words, James Halpin and Margaret (and William?) had a brother with a son Frederick who was a captain (military or nautical?) born about 1823. 

Well yes, I think we know more about him.  This must be the Frederick Halpin, hotelier of Wicklow, whose estate was contested in the same year, 1859, in which the solicitors Hone & Kinahan (strongly involved with the George Halpin family in Dublin) acted for the defendant/s, his two nieces, against Frederick's next of kin.
(See at: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/newspapers/irish-times-wick01.txt)

Do the nieces actually mean daughters of his own brother or sister or does this in fact mean his cousins, James' unmarried daughters, Eliza, Ann or Louisa?  It would be useful to see the case transcript, if it survives.

So, who were his next of kin?  Presumably his family did not have a burial plot in Wicklow Town.

Frederick's existence confirms my earlier point today that James in all probabilty had brothers and sisters we may not know.

Ray, where does your Robert Wellington Halpin, town clerk of Wicklow, fit into this?

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #39 on: Friday 05 March 10 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Now you've really made me sit up, Bill.  Identifying the legal team as the same one looking after the sale of George's properties (see the Irish Times, Sat. June 12 1920) is a little master stroke - it helps square the circle, if you know what I mean (by indirect means we make perhaps meaningful connections).  You may recall something I said last year, about the scattering of a few of the Halpin boys around the country to different aunts, which suggested to me the boys lost their mother at an early age.  I'm afraid I'm drawing on the lore here, but it may account for some of the confusion we're in over exact lineage.  I suppose a mother dying young in those days (the 1770s - 80s) would not have been unusual, sadly. 
     I was of the opinion that your Frederick was 'my' Frederick, so to speak - the hotel owner who died and left his property to fractious relations.  But I hadn't made the connection between the legal teams - excellent work.  Of course, last year I thought that the deceased Wicklow Frederick was the third brother of the Rev. Nicholas John Halpin, and thus represented a clear connection between Wicklow and Portarlington.  But as Diane pointed out, this couldn't be correct, since the Reverend's brother was still teaching in Sandymount in the 1870s.  The question then was - who was the deceased Wicklow hotelier?  Well, we know how he fits into the frame now.  However, despite the fact that I confused two different Frederick Halpins, the fact remains that the case you bring up may well provide some other link between the various branches of the Halpin family.  It certainly requires further investigation.  I might try to visit Wicklow town in a couple of weeks - put the wind up the locals.  I mean, we used to own that town.  I expect to find a red carpet at the bus depot.
     
     As for my great great grand father, Robert Wellington Halpin (merchant trader, Town Clerk, Clerk to the Harbour Board, Postmaster and so forth - I think he was the kind of chap who would have expected you to remember such things in his presence), he was first cousin to Captain Robert Charles Halpin.  Now his father, I've been told, was one of James's brothers - a chap by the name of Robert, who worked in Custom House as a tidewaiter or somesuch, but I have no documentation on him other than what I've been able to locate in the House of Commons Parliamentary Papers.  It's all a bit frustrating, I'm afraid.


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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #40 on: Friday 05 March 10 15:52 GMT (UK) »
A little of flesh for the old bones of Halpin's of Portlaoise from the www of The R.C.B. Library, Dublin

The principal town of County Laois, Portlaoise was known as Maryborough until independence in 1922. It was originally designed as an outpost for defence of the settlers, and it has played a significant role in the history of Ireland. You can see evidence of the town's long history in the remains of the old town walls and a circular tower.

Notable buildings include St Peter's Church, which was partly designed by James Gandon. It was the first building to be erected on the Great Green of Maryborough. It was opened in 1803 (and consecrated in 1804) as a replacement to Old St. Peter's Church which had been built during the reign of King Philip and Queen Mary.

In 2004, St Peter's celebrated its bicentenary which was a celebration of the church and its people; while November 2007 saw the beginning of the Gandon Steeple restoration project.'
 For information regarding Portlaoise, the Rock of Dunamaise or Ballyfin please contact the rector, Revd Hilary Dungan.


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Doyle, Malone, Ryan, Wicklow.
Murray of Arklow.
(O)Carroll of Annamoe, & Cornagower, Brittas, Wicklow, & Co Carlow.
Waters, Haughton, Leviston, Goggin. Kavanagh Wicklow.
Lavender and Newman of Ballyhad, Rathdrum.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #41 on: Friday 05 March 10 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Raymond,

 The Bridge Tavern & Guest House, Bridge Street, South Quay, Wicklow Town
A substantial Landmark Licenced Premises and adjoining 10 bedroonm Guest House"


If you are visiting Wicklow perhaps you may be interested in the fact, 'The Bridge Travern' is for sale by private treaty.  Perhaps the locals may think you are interested in investing!! See Wicklow People Wednesday 10th March 2010. p.50. property[at]morrisseys.ie. You must be quick as "Full and final offers to be submitted on or before Monday 22nd March 2910 at 4 pm".

Julia

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Doyle, Malone, Ryan, Wicklow.
Murray of Arklow.
(O)Carroll of Annamoe, & Cornagower, Brittas, Wicklow, & Co Carlow.
Waters, Haughton, Leviston, Goggin. Kavanagh Wicklow.
Lavender and Newman of Ballyhad, Rathdrum.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #42 on: Friday 05 March 10 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Speaking of the hunt for information, I'm interested in finding the following:
Dublin-
Mar. Paget Halpen & Margt Delane, St James 9.5.1794
Birth Paget Halpen 1794-1800
M'borough-
Mar. Eugene Sweeny & Eliz (?or Margt)  Halpen 27.6.1777
Mar. Mark Halpen & ? Mary Paget 1730-1760
Birth Paget Halpen 1700-1760

I'd love someone to find these for me before Xmas !
Ken

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 06 March 10 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Bill, re your post No.16-
"The 124th Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment of the British Army, formed in 1762 and disbanded in 1763. Its colonel was Robert Cuninghame, 1st Baron Rossmore." from Wikipedia.
"With the end of the 'Seven Years' War' in 1763 the army was reduced in strength and several regiments were disbanded. Amongst these was the 96th Manchester Regiment." from Manch. Regt. website.

I still think 38 years on half-pay is too generous. I've checked again and can only find Paget Halpen in the 1778 Army List.
Regards,
Ken


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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 06 March 10 00:45 GMT (UK) »
Re previous post-
Robert Cuninghame was appointed Colonel of the 124th foot in 1762. He had fought as a young officer at the Battle of Culloden on 16.4.1746. (On which side, I wonder ?)
Ken