Marriage in Berlin, NY 1861-1864

[AlbatrossIV]

Looking for any help on a marriage, I believe in Berlin, NY but the death certificates of the two parties only states Berlin, USA and there are about 10 Berlin's in the US (MD, NH, TN, MO, IL, WV, OR, OH, ND) but NY was a likely place to start as William arrived in NY about 1850 from Germany. The people are William Marion FAY (German - so name may have been spelt differently) and Eliza Lydia Meakes (English). The married between 1861 and 1864.

Any thoughts are welcomed.

[shellyesq]

New York State did not start statewide vital records registration until 1881, so these marriage records might not exist.  If you haven't done so already, I would suggest checking at www.familysearch.org, which sometimes has older records.

Have you found where either of them were in the 1860 census?  Maybe that could narrow down the town where they might have been married.

[ShaunJ]

According to this http://distantcousin.com/obits/aus/1900/1921/jul/faywilliammarion.html, he was born in Buffalo NY and the marriage would have taken place in Australia circa 1898.

If Eliza was the Elizabeth Emily Lydia Meakes mentioned along with William Marion Fay in this Australian 1877 inquest report on her mother, she would have been born around 1862. http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5941722?searchTerm=passmore+meakes (EDIT - link corrected)

[ShaunJ]

William's son Franklin Ethelbert Fay was born in Berlin Wisconsin circa 1864 per his Australian naturalisation papers - see digitised file at NAA http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=1744097&I=1&SE=1. He arrived in Australia in November 1879 on the Hankow from Plymouth, England.

[ShaunJ]

Just to confuse matters further...

The 1870 census for La Crosse, Wisconsin has this listing:

Fay W^m 28 exhibitor born New York
Fay Elizabeth 24 born England
Fay Frank 6 born Illinois
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When William Marion Fay's son Franklin Fay entered the US from Canada on September 26 1907, he said that he had previously lived for 12 years in Chicago

[ShaunJ]

If Eliza was the Elizabeth Emily Lydia Meakes

Elizabeth Emily Lydia ("Lilly") Meakes married Tom Wood in 1883. She was the daughter of Alfred Moore Meakes, and I think Eliza Lydia must have been Alfred's sister. The family came from Reading in Berkshire. There was also a brother (?) Benjamin Meakes who was born Reading circa 1837 and died at his nephew Franklin's house in Melbourne in 1902. Benjamin had an iilegitimate son also named Alfred Moore Meakes born Bournemouth in 1890. The mother was Ellen Le Bouge (in the 1891 census as Ellen Gibson Meakes).  That Alfred was in Los Angeles in 1920 but I've lost track of him after that.

[Erato]

You say you are looking for a 1861-64 marriage in Berlin, USA [state unknown, possibly NY] between William Marion Fay and Eliza Lydia Meakes.  Fay, who entered the US in about 1850, was German so his name may have been changed.  Meakes was born in England.

On the other hand, you cite other information that Fay was born in Buffalo, NY and was married in Australia in about 1898 to Meakes who was born in about 1862.

Then you add that William Fay had a son [Franklin Ethelbert Fay] born in Wisconsin in about 1864 and that he arrived in Australia [via England] in 1879.  Or alternatively, the son was born in Illinois and was in Canada in 1907 having lived for 12 years in Chicago.

Meanwhile, you have Elizabeth Emily Lydia ("Lilly") Meakes marrying Tom Wood in 1883 with some kind of confused relationship to Meakeses in Reading, Bournemouth and Los Angeles.

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Sorry, but I have totally lost the plot and I wonder if you haven’t lost it as well.  Perhaps you could simplify the question.

[ShaunJ]

It wasn't me that asked the question...I'm just posting information that I have found.

[Erato]

Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear.  I thought that you were taking all these various manifestations of Fay and Meakes to be somehow the same people that were referred to in the original question.  That seems doubtful.