Sweny of Dublin

[kenneth cooke]

I have his brother, Albert Edward, as arriving in New York in 1911, but the story goes that the one in trouble with the police was the one who went to the USA.

[dathai]

I honestly believe that its the one and the same person,have you found a passenger list for a Frederick William of the right age going to America?.
Perhaps he was told to drop his first names to cover up something.

[dathai]

And to note Frederick William is not on the Irish 1911 Census either.

[kenneth cooke]

Thanks for that. I'll check up on it.
Ken

[kenneth cooke]

If you refer to my Post #50, I tried to sort out the various names of children of Dr. Mark Sweny and his son Fredk Wm, the chemist.
Now I have looked up the baptism record of 24.9.1889 for Fredk Wm Albert Edward Sweny, which omits his date of birth. It obviously refers to one person only.
On my family tree for Dr. Mark’s branch, I have shown Fredk Wm and Albert Edward separately.
A note under the first name says ‘fl.1916’ and under the 2nd. ‘arr. NY Feb.1911'.
I must have found a reference to Fredk Wm from 1916, and the other one on the shipping list.
Now I have revisited the shipping lists for US arrivals, and found two entries which seem relevant:

SS Baltic dep. Liverpool 28.1.1911, arr. New York 6.2.11,
Albert Edward Sweny, 21½, Chemists’s Assistant, Irish, from Dublin. Father Fredk Wm Sweny,
1 Lincoln Pl. Dublin. To New York, New Rochelle

No ship’s name, Dep. L’pool for New York 28.12.1911, Mr. Albert E ? W Sweny, Chemist, 21 yrs,
English, to New York (the ? could be either a G or an F)

The first seems to be a transcript of the original, with fewer details included. I am sure that when I looked it up a few years ago, I noted that it said ‘passage paid for by his father’.
So we don’t know where he finally settled, or whether he ever returned to Ireland.

[dathai]

Would these two? boys have had to receive some sort of diploma or certificate to practise chemistry.
Where were they? educated.Would it have been a college which would have records.
The 1888 Frederick is most likely Herbert and Sarahs son now he's missing off the 1911 census as well and i dont see any passenger listing for him on Family Search which i am confined to for research.
Did you get the 1888 birth cert to see who the parents are and did you get the 1910 marriage cert to see whos son he was.

[kenneth cooke]

I conceded that you were right, and that the baptism at St. Anne's on 24.9.1889 concerned one person, Fredk Wm Albert Edward Sweny, no DOB shown. In subsequent life, he used different combinations of his four names. I don't think it's necessary to obtain his birth certificate, but you are welcome to do so, if you are still curious.
His parents were Frederick William Sweny, chemist of 1 Lincoln Place, and Sophia Mary Johnson.
I doubt very much that he was a qualified chemist, and I am not curious enough to chase that up.
The two entries on the US shipping arrival lists are almost certainly for the same person.
Re the marriage in 1910, the groom was Wm. Fredk. not the other way round. He married Gladys Cole Metge, regd. Dublin Sth J-S 1910, Vol. 2 Page 515.
He was a second cousin of Fredk. Wm, the chemist's son, and became a Brigadier General, finally settling in Scotland with his second wife (see my post 90 of 2 May).
As for the Dublin Census of 2.4.1911, FWAE Sweny wouldn't be noted, as he had arrived in New York on 6 Feb.1911.

[dathai]

 not here to knock you just to put you right, i thought they were one and the same person and am glad that you have finally realised that what i have concluded is right. I wont be buying any birth certificates to prove that Frederick William born 1888 is the same person as it is of no revelence to me,only if you want to prove different it is up to you.
Best Regards
Dathai.

[kenneth cooke]

I don't need to buy the certificate, I already know who he is.
Frederick William Sweny, born 1888 Dublin to Herbert Sidney Sweny (brother of the chemist) and his wife Sarah Jane Wilson.
Advice is a good thing to have, but unsolicited advice is not always welcome.
I hope this is the last word on the five Frederick Williams.