Sweny of Dublin

[kenneth cooke]

In Reply 19 of 4 March 2010, Quaxar supplied headings of entries in the Irish Times, relevant to the Sweny family of Dublin. The last two read:
7/10/1899  P.1 (Death) John Egar (son in law of late Dr. Mark Sweny)
5/3/1900    P.1 (Death) Lydia L. (dau. of late Mark Sweny M.D.)   late of .....
I have not been able to access the entries concerned, but I would guess that the next word is “Canada”.  There is no trace of any death entries in Dublin.

From the Dublin Census 1901-  Rathmines & Rathgar:
Wm Fredk & Elvira Wilkinson (sister of Lydia Lovely Egar, née Sweny),
their sons James & Fredk. and Winifred & Stanley Egar, 12 & 10 yrs, Niece & Nephew, both born Canada.
At 6 St James Tce, Merchants Quay-
Charles Egar & family, also Robt Henry & John Charles Egar, 22 & 19, nephews,
born Dublin City. 
I have not been able to confirm Charles as a brother of John Joseph Egar, Lydia’s husband, but the birth years of the two boys fit in with J J Egar’s family. There was an Oscar John born in Dublin on 22.4.1881 to John & Lydia. He may be the same as John Charles.
It seems that the Egars went to Canada between 1881 and 1888, and after the death of their parents in Canada, the children returned to Dublin.
Perhaps one of our readers knows more about the Egar family.

[kenneth cooke]

Another mystery solved !
Re Posts 21-23 & 58-59- Accidental death of chemist's son:
I have just found the following Baptism record from St Mary's R.C. Pro-Cathedral, Dublin :
Mark Henry Sweny, born 1.8.1875 to Mark Halpin Sweny & Catherine Davis, now of 119 Lwr.Gardiner St, baptised on 1 May 1882 by Fr. Cornelius Ryan, with the following note-
'The father is a Protestant. The child being in danger of death was privately baptized.'
 I assume his health was poor, and this may explain why he fell into the fire in 1891. He was born in 1875, and his parents married in 1878. Three more sons were born and given Catholic baptisms.
 

[kenneth cooke]

Dr. Mark Sweny’s second daughter Lydia, married John Jos. Egar in 1873. By 1881 they had five children, all born in Dublin. By 1888 they had moved to Quebec, Canada where two more were born. Egar died there on 15.9.1899 and Lydia on 8.2.1900, followed by their son Herbert Sidney, who was killed in an accident in the USA on 12.6.1900. The two youngest children, Winifred 12, and Stanley,10 (they may have been older) were noted in the 1901 Dublin Census, staying with the Wilkinsons. They sailed back to Canada in 1904, presumably to be looked after by their elder siblings.
John Joseph Egar mar. Lydia Lovely Sweny (dau of Dr Mark) 5 June 1873.Issue:
Arthur George 30.4.1874;  Mildred Sarah Anne 6.2.1876;  Herbert Sidney
31.10.1877; Amy Madelene 4.1.1880;  Oscar John 22.4.1881, 
Born in Canada- Winifred ?1888  and  Stanley ?1890

Three burials from St. Martin Anglican church Montreal Quebec:
John J Egar of Montreal died 15 Sept.1899 aged 46 years, and was interred on 16th. Sept. 1899, in the presence of Herbert S. Egar and Oscar J. Egar.

Lydia L. Sweny, widow of late John J. Egar of Montreal, died on 8th. Feb. 1900 aged 55, and was buried on 10th. Feb. 1900. In the presence of E. McManus and Oscar J. Egar.

Herbert Sidney, son of late John J. Egar of Montreal, was killed by accident at Pittsfield, Massachusetts USA on the 12th. day of June 1900, aged 20 years, and was buried at Montreal on the 14th. June 1900. In the presence of G. M. McManus.

Dublin Census 1901 at Cullenswood, Rathmines & Rathgar:
Wm Fredk Wilkinson 53 Collector General Dept. (retired); Elvira 54;  both born Dublin City
Sons James 24, Insurance Clerk; Frederick 21, Commercial Traveller, both Single, both b. Dub.City
Stanley Egar, 10, nephew; Winifred Egar, 12, niece, both scholars, both born Canada
All Baptists (sic). 

Passenger List ‘Dominion’ from Liverpool to Montreal, arrived 3.5.1904.
Winifred Egar, 15 yrs & Stanley Egar 11 yrs. Both from Lancashire, England.
(I think this refers to where the ship sailed from),  Destination Montreal.

[Kerrydave]

to #32
Hi there - I am a descendant of John paget Sweny born 1810 approx.
He was my Great x 4 grandfather.   I come down the line of Rev. Eugene Sweny and then down to Georgina Charlotte Frederica Sweny who Married Deane Shute - they are my great great grandparents.
I would love to chat about this further if you're interested - I have been searching online for quite some time - and joined various groups - so hope to hear from you with further information.
my email is ^(*)
cheers
Kerry Sorensen-tyrer 

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[Kerrydave]

#32 - Can I also please add for Kenneth - your mention of Georgina Charlotte - who is my great grandmother - she had 3 children - the eldest is Eileen Margaret b.1897 (we are trying to find her as she went missing)  Hubby was was Felix Hindmarsh Bolton.
Second child of Georgina and Deane Orford Shute was Rona Irene born 1899 and then Berthon Deane born 1905... and was divorced  - but he went on to marry and have about 10 more kids and divorce yet again!!
not sure if this is helpful but this is the line I'm searching more information about.  cheers Kerry

[kenneth cooke]

Hi Kerrydave,
Thanks for your post. I found that Georgina died in Santa Clara, California on 28.10.1953.
Hope I haven't got the wrong one, as obviously some of the family are still in New Zealand.
I'll reply to you direct, and summarize for the forum, as I'm sure the others will be interested.
Ken

[kenneth cooke]

Update- details of children of Rev. Eugene Sweny and Elizabeth Ovens (mar. 13.11.1866),
all born Donegal, Ireland:

Emily Teresa Grace 1.2.1868
James Montgomery Ovens 16.5.1869
William Halpin Paterson 2.10.1871
John Charles Coote 24.12.1872
Georgiana Charlotte Frederica 23.6.1874
Shapland Arthur 20.1.1877

Later ‘Georgie’ dropped the ‘a’ and became Georgina.

UK Census 1891 Stiffkey, Walsingham, Norfolk, at Rectory:
Sweny, Eugene, Rector 54,  Elizabeth, wife, 45,  Emily FGA, daughter 23, John C Coote, son, 18, all born Ireland.
James & William were probably studying elsewhere. Arthur had died in 1899. Georgie
was only 16, probably in boarding school, perhaps still in Ireland.

UK Census 1891 Gatwick, Surrey, Georgina Sweeny, School Governess, age 21, born 1869/70, Donegal, Ireland (boarder in household) Not likely that this is our Georgina.

Marriage- Shute—Sweny, Sept. 22, at Palmerston Nth. New Zealand, by the Rev. William Thomson, Deane Orford Shute, late Lieut. 4th Border Regiment, youngest son of the late Colonel N. Shute of 4th Regiment, to Georgiana Charlotte Frederica (Georgie), youngest daughter of the Rev. Eugene Sweny, M.A., rector of Stiffkey and Morston, Norfolk.  From ‘The Colonies & India’ of 14 Nov 1896.

Children of Deane & Georgina Shute, NZ:
Eileen Margaret 1897, mar.NZ 1920 Felix Bolton, div.1928
Rona Irene 1899, mar. USA c.1930 Lester Lafferty
Berthon Deane 1905-1943

Divorce- NZ Supreme Court- Shute v. Shute, Applicant Georgina Charlotte Frederica Shute,
Respondant Dean Orford Shute.Decree Nisi granted 17 Sep. 1908. To be made Absolute in 3 mths.
Reported Feilding Star, NZ, 18 Sept. 1908.

NZ Electoral Roll 1928 Rona Shute, Res. Wellington North
NZ Elec Roll 1928 Eileen Margt Bolton, Pahiatua, Manawatu NZ  (Rona’s sister)

USA-Application for Naturalization granted 3 Jan. 1929- Rona Irene Shute, born New Zealand, Resident California.

USA- Engagement Notice 11.3.1930 Rona Shute from Wellington N.Z. to Mr. L. E. Lafferty of
Gerber, California.

Rona Lafferty, Residence 1935 Gerber, California (& San Carlos & San Mateo) born abt. 1899 NZ,  Spouse Lester E. Lafferty, from Newton Family Tree (online).
Shipping Lists 1935- visited NZ. Rona Lafferty, b. Ashhurst NZ, with ‘friend’ Lester Lafferty
 
USA- Death Georgina Shute (Sweny), birth (other country) 23 June 1874, Died 28 Oct. 1953 Santa Clara, California, USA, Mother’s name Ovens, father Sweny

[kenneth cooke]

I had assumed that Mark Halpen Sweny (1783-1865) left Ireland as a boy to join the Royal Navy and never returned. But it seems that Sweny did return to Ireland for a short time before settling in England.
Letter from Mark H Sweny, lieutenant, Royal Navy, Rathmines, Dublin, to Charles Grant, Chief Secretary, Dublin Castle, requesting appointment to post of surveyor or local inspector of fisheries; includes letter from Sweny to Earl Talbot, Lord Lieutenant, Dublin Castle, applying for position and to state that he served in the battle of Trafalgar, ‘lost both thumbs and a finger and was selected to fill the situation of first Lieutenant of the Northumberland when that ship carried Bonaparte to St Helena’ (1815). From Nat Archives Ireland, April/May 1820.
I take it that his application was rejected, as he turns up in England in 1822. Sweny is mentioned in ‘Diaries of a Lady of Quality’ (1797-1844) by Miss Frances Williams  Wynn, who had met him at a ball in Hastings in 1822.

[crimea1854]

Forgive me but I have not read all the above posts, and it may be covered, but Capt Mark Sweny's service is included in O'Bryne's Naval Biography written in 1849. Also the National Archives hold his Lieutenants Passing Certificate, which according to the index includes birth details ADM 107/32 pages 91-93 & ADM 6/103 page 231.

Martin