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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #63 on: Monday 15 August 11 21:08 BST (UK) »
I’ve been trying to sort out some of the Swenys, who can cause confusion because of the occurrence of the same names over several generations.

Family of Dr. Mark Sweny and Sarah Ann (?Yeates), married abt 1845:

Augusta Elvira Lucinda 1846, mar. Wm Fredk Wilkinson
Mark Halpin 1848-1900
Lydia Lovely 1850-1900, mar. John Jos. Egar
Ada Matilda 1852, (fl.1916) mar. Henry Cockburn
Lincoln Albert 1854-1880
Victoria Eugenia 1855 (fl.1890)
Frederick William 8.12.1856-1924
Herbert Sidney 1859-1933
Eugene 1860-1861
George Arthur Wellington 1863-1868

Frederick William, 1856, was the famous chemist, of 1 Lincoln Place. He married twice and had at least fourteen children.
 
1. mar. 1884 Sophia Mary Johnson 1857-1895:
Ethel Sophia 22.1.1885-1893
Violet Beatrice 6.2.1886-1909
Edith 16.9.1887, (fl.1916) mar. ? Ring
Fredk William jnr 1888 (fl.1916)
Albert Edward 1889 (to USA 1911)
Walter Theodore 7.3.1892-1893 
Eveleen Ruby, born & died 1891
Lilian Caroline 30.6.1893, mar.1918

2. mar. 26.4.1897 Sarah Jane Owens:
George Arthur 13.2.1898, mar. (fl.1916)
Charles Herbert 25.5.1899-1965
Alfred Victor 23.8.1900 (fl.1916)
William Lionel 1902 (fl.1911)
Victoria Eugenia ?
Arthur Wellington 1909 ?
Cecil Desmond 1910 (fl.1916) mar.1932
Reginald Fredk 1915-1993
There may have been more. Some of the above have not been heard of again, so we can assume that they died young.
Ken

 




Hi Ken,

My name is Noel Sweeney. My father's name is Frederick William Sweeney. His father's name was Cecil Desmond. From conversations with my father, it appears his father is the Cecil Desmond mentioned in one of your previous postings (as per quote). I plan to confirm this update by obtaining the appropriate documentation.

Noel

 

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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 00:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Noel,
Welcome to the Forum.
The only thing I know about your grandfather Cecil Desmond is that his birth was reg. Jan-Mar Qtr. 1911 Sth Dublin, and then Cecil Sweny married Apr-Jun 1932, Sth Dub, name of spouse unknown.
Looks like your father was named after his grandfather, the chemist. You have close relatives still living in Dublin.
By the way, you're not the first Noel in the family. Your father's 3rd cousin was Noel Frederic Sweny, born in 1901, who was a County Inspector in the Royal Ulster Constabulary.
I will contact you 'off-line' if you don't mind. From what you write, I have no doubt that we are from the same Sweny/Sweeney line.
Ken
 

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Re: Cecil Desmond Sweny
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 18 August 11 11:51 BST (UK) »
I have just spoken to a granddaughter of Fredk Wm Sweny, the chemist, about Cecil Desmond Sweny.
She remembers her uncle Cecil, but not his family. They lived in Cabra.
He was jovial, short, stout, and balding. He smoked a pipe and drove a tourist coach to Glendaloch. He died about 20 years ago.

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Sweny of Dublin- origins
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 03 April 12 01:34 BST (UK) »
I have just noticed, on another forum, that I wrote, in 2008, about the Sweny and Swiny families, that they were related, and that our earliest verified Swe(e)ny ancestor, Owen Sweeny of Mill St, Newmarket, Dublin, was the son of Revd. Miles Swyny or Swiney of Wexford.
As we now know that this is not true, my reaction was to send in a reply to correct this mistake, but there was a notice that the topic was now closed, and a warning from the moderator, not to try to ‘resurrect’ the thread.
The source of the error was a pedigree held by the old Office of Arms, Dublin.

Later I obtained the pedigree of the Dublin Swenys held by the Society of Genealogists, London, which has the sub-text:
“Incorrectly claiming descent from Revd. Miles Swiny of Ballyteigue, Co. Wexford (d.1690). The only relationship with that family being by the marriage in 1774 of Michael Sweny of Dublin with Mary, eldest daughter of the Revd. Shapland Swiny of Ballyteigue & Rector of Ferns, Co. Wexford.” (Shapland was a great grandson of Revd. Miles)

It seems that someone had confused ‘our’ Owen Sweeny 1680-1741 with Owen Swiney, second son of Revd. Miles, who lived from 1676 to 1754, and was a theatre and opera impressario. There is an entry for him in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. After some correspondence with the ODNB, I ascertained that Owen Sweeny and Owen Swiney were two distinct persons.  At the time ‘our’ Owen Sweeny’s children were born in Dublin, the impressario was living in Italy. He died unmarried and without issue, leaving estates in Wexford.

But I still believe that there was an earlier connection between the two families.




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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 17 May 12 23:50 BST (UK) »
Ken,
In relation to Edith Sweny, she married Geoff Ring - not sure of the date of marriage exactly but they had three sons - Mervyn (born ~1913 died 1934), Maurice (born ~1916 or so, died 1976), Anthony (Tony) (born 1925, died 2012).   


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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #68 on: Friday 18 May 12 01:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Desmond
Thanks for that. I was sorry to hear about your father passing away. I never got to speak to him. He was already in the facility when I phoned his home in Oct. 2010.
I found Edith's marriage record, Oct-Dec 1912 on ancestry.com. Spouse's name not given, but a list of others on the same page. One was a J.F.King, which I thought was a misprint of 'Ring'.
Edith of course was the eldest child of Frederick William, the famous chemist of Lincoln Place.
Thanks again, and best wishes.
Ken

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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #69 on: Friday 18 May 12 01:44 BST (UK) »
Ken

good to hear from you.  I would assume J.F King was Geoff Ring.  It was funny but when I was back last month I went to the chemist for the first time - like walking back in time significantly.  I am hoping to go in there with my children when we are home next month.

Take care
Des

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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #70 on: Friday 18 May 12 02:30 BST (UK) »
No, he was John F King.
I found in the 1911 census a John Francis Ring, Single, born Cork (or Kerry) but no Geoffrey or Jeffrey. The entry for Edith shows seven names, but I can't get the eighth. It could be him.
Maybe he was John F. Ring but they called him Geoff.
Anyway I'm sure they married in the last quarter of 1912.
There are still a lot of unanswered questions. One of the most important for me is the surname of Edith's grandmother, Sarah Ann, born 1818. I'm sure it is Yeates, which would link the two shops from 'Ulysses'- Sweny's chemist shop & Yeates & Son, opticians etc.
Sarah Ann Yeates was born 1818. Her uncle Samuel and her cousin George Mitchell Yeates were Yeates & Son. I believe she was the mother of Fredk Wm Sweny, the chemist.
I think I'll have to go back to Dublin again and find her marriage.
Cheers for now,
Ken

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Re: Sweny of Dublin
« Reply #71 on: Friday 08 June 12 00:18 BST (UK) »
Just to confirm that Edith Sweny married John Francis Ring in 1912. He was known as 'Geoff'. This came from their son Tony, who passed away recently.