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« Reply #108 on: Monday 05 May 14 11:52 BST (UK) »
It certainly is, from me anyway.

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« Reply #109 on: Monday 05 May 14 13:26 BST (UK) »
OK, thank you.

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« Reply #110 on: Monday 05 May 14 16:26 BST (UK) »
Its nice to be appreciated thank you.

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« Reply #111 on: Thursday 08 May 14 10:58 BST (UK) »
I have read the following on another forum:
Reported in Irish Times 29 April 1916 (the time of the Easter Uprising)-
"Amongst those who lost their lives as a result of gunshot wounds was F W Sweny (13) of
1 Lincoln Place" (Our FWS was 27)
A relative in Ireland remembers hearing about this incident, but is not sure who it was.

It seems that our Fredk Wm was in prison in 1909, went to the USA in 1911, was shot dead in
Dublin in April 1916, and was mentioned in his father's will dated June 1916.
I wonder if it would be possible for some kind person to look up the article and confirm the details. I would be very grateful. As I live in Australia, I'm a bit far away to do it myself.


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« Reply #112 on: Thursday 08 May 14 13:53 BST (UK) »
Joe Duffy wrote a book recently and it is dedicated to the children who died 1916 and i'm afraid F W Sweny
is not listed among them.
It can be found by googling
Joe Duffy's list of children killed 1916.

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« Reply #113 on: Thursday 08 May 14 14:02 BST (UK) »
Living relatives assure me that one of the chemist's sons was killed when he went out to give
water to one of the men who had been shot on the street, possibly a soldier or a policeman.
The victim must have been William Lionel Sweny, born 1902/3, regd. Jan-Mar 1903. He was 13 in 1916. He was noted in the 1911 Census, 8 yrs, but is missing in his father’s will of June 1916. There doesn’t seem to be any record of his death.
It is said that his father was broken by this incident, especially as the police refused to release the body and the boy never had a proper burial.


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« Reply #114 on: Friday 09 May 14 02:16 BST (UK) »
Just received from a Sweny cousin in the USA:
"It wasn't the Irish Times, it was the Irish Independent dated April 26, 27, 28, 29 May 1, 2, 3, 4
There's a bit about interrupted publication due to the unsafe conditions in the city. On the next page there is an article: Sad Scenes at Glassnevin. It talks about burying scores of unidentified bodies, including those of women and children."
Apparently there was a mass grave, with no chance of finding any relatives buried there.

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« Reply #115 on: Saturday 10 May 14 02:30 BST (UK) »
The incident happened during the Battle of the Mount St. Bridge, in which 300 civilians were killed.
One report states that Irish 'volunteers' shot at and killed some of the 'veteran' defenders (old men) and many people came out to assist the veterans, and were in turn shot at.
Mount St. is not far from Lincoln Place, just the other side of Merrion Square (park).
Two of my Sweny 'cousins' went to Glasnevin cemetery a few years ago, but got no information. Now that their records are digitalised, and we now know the correct name of the victim, I have suggested that they make another visit there.
There is a lot of information about the battle on the internet.

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« Reply #116 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 07:12 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism record for Frederick William Albert Edward Sweny at St. Anne's, 24.9.1889. On the face of it, it refers to one individual, if the clergyman who registered the baptism was correct. It was on the last line of the page, and to my mind, the possibility did exist, that it referred to two children, possibly twins. However, I accepted that it was one person, but I needed to find absolute proof. I still had my doubts.
There were subsequent references to Frederick William, and to Albert Edward, but never to an individual with all four names. His father apparently referred to him as Fredk Wm., which was also his own name.
Now I have found more evidence to corroborate the single person theory, that is, another reference to Fredk Wm Albert Edward Sweny, or almost.
On the passenger list for his second voyage to New York, departure Liverpool 28.12.1911, he has  reversed the order of the two pairs of names. He is listed as Albert E $ W Sweny, 21.  The $  looks more like an S, but when I compared the handwriting on another name, two lines above Sweny’s,   it referred to Frank somebody, and the way of writing the F was identical to Sweny’s entry. 
So it would be reasonable to assume that Albert E F W Sweny, chemist, from Dublin is the same as our Frederick William Albert Edward Sweny, son of the chemist of Lincoln Place. It seems he was known to some as Albert, to others as Frederick. ( His father was called ‘Fred’)
He was the eldest living son, and I have been told that it was the law in Ireland at that time, that the eldest son inherited the largest part of the estate. In his father’s will of 1916, Fredk Wm jnr. was to get £200. He did not inherit the business, however. That went to George Arthur, the first son from the second marriage. Fredk Wm senior died in 1924. It seems the chemist shop was sold very soon afterwards.
From Thom's Dublin Directory:
In 1924 & 1925: F.W.Sweny & Co. Ltd. Druggists & Dispensing Chemists, 1 Lincoln Place
In 1926: P. J. Killackey, Dispensing Chemist, 1 Lincoln Place