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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 18 March 10 08:37 GMT (UK) »
The 1871 census entry says he was born Walworth, which is part of Newington

There is a baptism entry for Thomas James Priestley at St Peter's Walworth, Southwark on 30 Oct 1825, born 11 June 1825 to James & Sarah of Milk street, father was a tailor.

This couple also baptised Benjamin on 25 Nov 1827, born 23 Sept 1827
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 18 March 10 09:11 GMT (UK) »
That's wonderful news about Thomas & co; John.  Thank-you.

Have to disappear until this evening, but happy hunting and enjoy your day.

Shalena
Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 18 March 10 22:11 GMT (UK) »
There's an IGI baptism of Sarah George dau of Robert and Elizabeth on 31 Mar 1797 at Bedford St Mary, and they subsequently baptised a child at St Pauls. But whilst they baptised a William by the look of it at Wilstead they didn't baptise a Lucy, and I can't see that William married a Lucy.

David, I found a marriage licence dated 3 June 1820 of William George of St Pauls to Sarah Gudgin of Ampthill; married at Ampthill 5 June 1820.   
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 18 March 10 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Ampthill - Of Anglo Saxon origin, first called 'Aemethyll' which literally means 'ant-heap' or 'ant infested hill'.  Wonder if they got the 'Seven Year Itch' after they married there?

Shalena
Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.


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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #76 on: Friday 19 March 10 23:36 GMT (UK) »
John Jenks  a poss for 1871....
 Poplar    John Jukes hd m 76 no occ   Northampton
               Susan        wi m 54               London
               Elizabeth Joseph niece u 22? dressmaker  London

The Elizabeth Joseph appears later on 1881 census in Stratford, age 32 born St Pancras, dressmaker, niece to Francis H Joseph born 1820 St George, Middx  & wife Sarah. 
This is Francis Henry Joseph who married Sarah Allen on 15 May 1848 at St Lukes, father Germain Joseph; who happens to be Susan Frances's father; she is 3rd wife of John Jenks. 

Another loose end tied up
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #77 on: Friday 19 March 10 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Susan Frances Jenkes is found on 1881 census living at 10 Ironmongers Almshouses Shoreditch, Inmate, widower, Annuitant, age 65, born St James Middlesex

RG11/402 Folio 85 page 9
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #78 on: Friday 19 March 10 23:46 GMT (UK) »
now going back to 1820 Bedford...

John Jenks ls is in business as a shopkeeper in St Paul’s, as from the Beds Archives, at the Midsummer Quarter Sessions dated 10 July 1820 there is a recognizance entry for him, to attend in the case against 5 boys accused of stealing 4 & ¼ yards of printed cotton & 2lbs of bacon.

Another shopkeeper, Henry Norman along with wife Mary of St Mary’s also had a recognizance issued, & these gave details regarding the theft of cotton so I assume that John Jenks lost his bacon.

The accused were Isaac King, Thomas Dowell, Thomas Johnson, Samuel Richards & Samuel Langham. Police constable George Asplin gave evidence. 
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #79 on: Saturday 20 March 10 00:45 GMT (UK) »
Great detective work John!

I think I have this straight now...Susan Frances Jenks (nee Joseph and Allen), and Francis Henry Joseph were brother and sister...their father being Germain Joseph.  Elizabeth Joseph was niece to them both, thereby supposing that she was the daughter of another of their siblings...a brother if she was given the surname Joseph.  Phew!

What a shame Susan ended up on her own in the Almshouse.  That was life back then though I suppose. 

Thank you so much for all this information you have located...I would never have got anywhere near all this detail without your help, time and patience...and that of your co-researchers.  A big thank-you to you all!

Shalena

Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 24 March 10 18:06 GMT (UK) »
There's an IGI baptism of Sarah George dau of Robert and Elizabeth on 31 Mar 1797 at Bedford St Mary, and they subsequently baptised a child at St Pauls. But whilst they baptised a William by the look of it at Wilstead they didn't baptise a Lucy, and I can't see that William married a Lucy.

David, I found a marriage licence dated 3 June 1820 of William George of St Pauls to Sarah Gudgin of Ampthill; married at Ampthill 5 June 1820.   

.... and what's more a witness to the marriage was John Jenks, the other was Hannah Gudgin.

On 1841 census living with a butcher in Ampthill is a Thomas Gudgin age 24, journeyman & William George age 18 Apprentice. This William is most likely son of William & Sarah George, born 6 Jul 1822 & baptised 25 May 1825 in Ampthill. On 1851 William George, master pork butcher says he's born Bedford.

So assuming William George & Sarah George are related, if anyone can find Willam & Sarah (ne Gudgun) George on 1841 & 1851 we could determine their family.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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