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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 February 10 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Jane Lavinia Jenks died 1839 in Clerkenwell
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 February 10 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Also I think "Alicia" on the 1841 census is Eliza Adelaide (she marries in Bedford in 1854 ...not sure who to at the moment). 
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 February 10 19:15 GMT (UK) »
Well that certainly counts Lavinia out, and sinks my theory about the enumerator skipping a line! Would also tend to explain why I can't find her in any subsequent census or a marriage
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 February 10 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Eliza married John Hill at St Paul's Bedford, 10 July 1854
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 February 10 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Hello Shalena,   See I told you it'd get sorted here..  

On 1851 there's a Susan Probutt age 32 born Middlesex, married, lodging in St Marylebone, London . I wonder if this is her.  I need to check the 1859 St Pauls marriage to see if it says she's a widower.  

cheers John
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #14 on: Friday 26 February 10 20:01 GMT (UK) »
'Evening John,

Your info; on Susan looks promising...and the other guy's have been great sorting it all out.  :)

I have posted a reply to them...hope it hasn't got 'lost' as not seen it up yet.

Popping off for a while, but I'll return later.

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Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #15 on: Friday 26 February 10 20:15 GMT (UK) »



 Hello .....

 Is this Susan in 1841 ...?

 John Probutt 38 butcher not born in county
 Susan Probutt 27 born Middlesex
 HO107/734 F 19 P30
 St George Hanover Sq   Shepherd Court.

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #16 on: Friday 26 February 10 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Sorry bedfordshireboy and Shaun...the reply that I thought I had posted to you seems to have been wiped...probably by something I did my end!  Let's see if I can recall what I said.  First off...thank-you both for all the time and trouble you have put into this.  All the new information is very welcome and answers a lot of questions.

Shaun - I did know about Rosina's marriage to John Flynn, but not the other details.  Thanks for all that.  If what we found previously was correct, they had a daughter, Augusta Evelyn Flynn, born 1873, Kensington, London.  We never took it further as we had so much else to look into at the time, and she wasn't a direct line.

bedfordshireboy - thank-you too, for all you have provided.  We only wondered if Susan 'could have' been the mother of any of John's children    a: because we didn't know that there were two Susan's involved, and John did end up marrying a Susan;   b: because we have already uncovered a long past relative who had fathered several children by a household maid.  It was confirmed by his will in which he left details of his bequest to them and the mother.

Going by the earlier post about Rosina's marriage...her father, John Jenks, was calling himself a 'gentleman' then too.

Thank-you again for all you have done both of you...and I hope you did not mind me including you both on the same post.

Regards,   Shalena
Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #17 on: Friday 26 February 10 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Another shorter update......

tazzie - Thanks for passing on your information too.

'Many hands' have certainly made light(er!), work of some things that had puzzled us at the time we first found out about this line.

One more point that may be of interest to those that have looked into this...we believe that John Jenks was born c 1794 in Potterspury, Northamptonshire.  Presumably, he then made his way to London from there.  But that can wait for another day to be looked into.

Thanks everyone!

Shalena
Brookes - Rotherfield. Carroll - Cork S.Ireland. Campbell - Dornoch. Cunnison - Moulin,Perthshire.  Forbes - Moulin. MacKay - Sutherland,Scotland. MacGregor - Inverness. MacIntosh - Dornoch.    Mew - Buxted,East Sussex. Monro - Sutherland. Murray - Creich,
Sutherland.  Pollard - Buxted, East Sussex. Priestley - Newington.  Reid - Logierait,Perthshire. Ross - Dornoch.  Sayers - Warnham,
East Sussex. Scot - Logierait,Perthshire. Weaver - East Sussex.