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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 04 March 10 14:11 GMT (UK) »

From the Northants Baptism Indexes.
Potterspury C of E
23 Jul 1794
John JINKS s John & Elizabeth 

Hello Sandy,   Any other Jinks/Jenks in the Potterspury baptism records to John & Elizabeth; & perhaps to his previous wife - whoever she was.

John Jenks of Red Lion on his marriage certs name his father as John Jenks, also an Innkeeper, perhaps he kept local in Potterspury

but had he died by 1801 as from.....

http://www.potterspury.org.uk/fhs/pr/pury/Marriages1800s.htm

..... there's a marriage on 12 Nov 1801 of John Tarry of Paulerspury  to Elizabeth Jenks, widow

regards John   

 
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 07:40 GMT (UK) »
Freebmd has the death of a Sarah Jenks at St Pancras in the March quarter 1847

Found the burial of Sarah JINKS of 100 Upper Seymour Street, Euston Square, St Pancras on 14 Jan 1847 at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green. She was 49.

Seymour Street is where John & Sarah & 3 children were living on 1841 census, & the address John Jenks gives on his marriage licence in 1847 (to Mary Tebbs)

So can anyone determine more about Sarah George born 1798 (who was of this parish of St Paul's Bedford when she married JJ in 1819) in conjunction with witnesses William George & Lucy George

cheers John
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 08:30 GMT (UK) »
There's an IGI baptism of Sarah George dau of Robert and Elizabeth on 31 Mar 1797 at Bedford St Mary, and they subsequently baptised a child at St Pauls. But whilst they baptised a William by the look of it at Wilstead they didn't baptise a Lucy, and I can't see that William married a Lucy.

So whilst it might be the right Sarah, it equally might not - the absence of a Lucy George disturbs me. But I can't see a burial or another obvious marriage of the Sarah George baptised 1797, and Robert was buried at St Pauls in 1818. John Jenks was born in Northants. Was Sarah the same?

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the reply David, I will check out those items in the PRs when I next visit library / archives.

As to the John Jenks - for his first 3 childrens' baptisms he's a tallow chandler & then on his next 3 children he's a gentleman. It suggets that he's nor just a worker but a businessman & perhaps his details may archived somewhere.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,309390.0.html

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 21:25 GMT (UK) »
John and David,

I have just been looking at your latest findings.  Very interesting.

Thank-you both for your continued interest and follow-ups...and I shall look further into the Guildhall Library link to see if there is any mention regarding JJ's possible apprenticeship/business dealings.  I may be able to get to London in a few weeks, so could go in person.

S.
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Revisiting this ....  John Jenks & wife Sarah moved to St Pancras area, Middlesex & raised a family as follows, from baptism entries:- 

George Stillwell Jenks son of John & Sarah of Great Smith St, tallow chandler at St John the Evangelist, Westminster; baptised on 17 Aug 1823, born 29 Aug 1821
Sarah Maria Jenks daughter of John & Sarah, of Doughty Place, tallow chandler. St Mary at Lambeth, baptised 6 Jan 1826
Augusta Amelia Jenks daughter of John and Sarah, of Lambeth Walk, tallow chandler. 26 Nov 1826 St Mary at Lambeth
Emma Silenia Jenks, born 15 Apr 1831, baptised 15 May at St Mary’s church, Islington of daughter of John & Sarah Jenks, Gentleman of Goswell Road, Islington
Eliza Adelaide Jenks born 7 July 1833, baptised 9 July 1837, as above
Jane Lavinia Jenks, born 11 March 1837, baptised 9 July 1837, as above

However two daughters died & were buried the same day. Jane Lavinia Jenks age 2 & Emma Silenia Jenks age 7 were both buried on 13 Feb 1839 at All Souls cemetery, Kensal Green, Clerkenwell.

There was another daughter Rosina Emily Jenks that I haven’t found a baptism for, but has a birth index at Pancras in Jan-Mar quarter 1841

On 1841 census John & Sarah are with children Augusta aged 15, Alicia 7 & Lavinia 4 months
On 1851 census living at the Red Lion is John Jenks, Innkeeper, widower, with daughters Augusta age 24 born Lambeth & Rosina aged 10 born London

So did we determine that the Lavinia age 4 months on 1841 is Rosina ?

& who the *** is Alicia ? is she Eliza Adelaide ?

I'd like to find George Stillwell &  Sarah Maria on 1841 census.
 
I have marriages for all the above 5 children so they should be there. 

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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 08:21 GMT (UK) »


   Good morning John....

  George in 1841

 (He shows in Hamersmith in 1851 as Railway clerk)  SO ....

 Aldbury Herts....

 George Jenks 20 Clerk rail not born in county.
 HO107/440 F 20 P7

 Tazzie
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Thaks Tazzie,

He was a railway clerk on his 1848 marriage cert as well as the 1851 census entry. 

I wonder, as he's at Aldbury, if he was working at Tring station - just as I was  driving round that area last Sunday.

John
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Re: Puzzle at The Red Lion
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 17 March 10 10:07 GMT (UK) »



  Hi ...

 Tring station is a short walk down one of the roads. Aldbury is a lovely village and where hubbies 2xgreat grandma was born.

 There is a Sarah Jenks at Wolverton station on the 1841 census age 16 female servant not born in county. HO107/59 F20 P34.
 Just wondered if George helped get her the job?

 Tazzie
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