Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

For the price of a pint, I'd be delighted to make that purchase!

Do you know if a mailing scenario, or is something I could review almost instantly?

I'll try and do from here in USA, if that doesnt work, I'll call my brother in UK and have him attend to it this afternoon.

back soon,...work calls,...I hate being in a different time zone to y'all

Darren - any chance you might be minded to invest the £3.50 for that naval record of Robert Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH (b 23 May 1864)? I don't know how much it will give you, but still...

[avm228]

Im still thinking mr Hollingsworth assumed Ms Smith last name , as reflected on 1871 census.

given that she gives her maiden name as Smith.

Despite Bertha's certificate I'm not yet persuaded that (Sarah) Eliza really was nee SMITH - could be wrong, but the name WALKER seems to have particular significance.  I wonder what details appear on Robert Thomas Hollingsworth Walker's birth certificate.

SMITH could of course just be a convenient alias for a family in disguise...

[avm228]

For the price of a pint, I'd be delighted to make that purchase!

Do you know if a mailing scenario, or is something I could review almost instantly?

I'll try and do from here in USA, if that doesnt work, I'll call my brother in UK and have him attend to it this afternoon.

back soon,...work calls,...I hate being in a different time zone to y'all

You get a link to view/download the document instantly.

I don't want to get too excited about it because I suspect this may be rather a brief record, but in a case like this any clue is a good one!

[beckton]

Hi Anna

you are marvellous. I have seen the info you have found regarding Robert Thomas Walker so i am now going to order the birth cert.

I dont know how to thank you as Darren and I have been searching for ages.
Many Thanks

Jan

[DarrenMW]

I have purchased and viewed the Naval record for Hollingsworth. hers what we learn...

Name: Robert Thomas Hollingsworth.
DOB: 23 May 1864 St,Giles, Middx.

Height: 5 feet 5/10
Hair: Lt brown
Eyes: Lt brown
Complexion: Fair

Trade: Printer

'Date & period of C.S. Engagement': 23-5-1882 10 years *

Rank : Boy 2nd Class.

Ships served in:

'Boscawen' 28-11-1879 to 31-3-1881 **
'Impregnable' 1-4-1881 to ?
'Impregnable' 15-6-1881 to 20-7-1881 ***

behaviour on Impregnable was bad and though the notes are difficult to determine, it shows he was sent to shore and Bodmin Gaol (which I searched and was used as a naval prison in Cornwall). I'm still reviewing the details.


* this is the date he'd turn 18 and become a navy sailor (pensions date etc).

** Navy training ship, located Portland, Dorset in 1879
*** Navy training ship, located Devonport-Plymouth, Devon in 1881.

[DarrenMW]

1861 census. Robert Smith lists occupation as printer.

same as young Robert Thomas Hollingsworth lists on navy papers.

I'm becoming convinced the Robert Smith (1871 census) and Robert Hollingsworth (1881 navy boy) are the same person.

Matching.....Age, place of birth, Smith/Hollingsworth link, occupation all appeal to me.

Do we find a death for him, or does he become the Thomas Richey living with his sister Catherine Hollingsworth Ferguson in 1891?

I'm getting excited.......I really think we're making progress here!

[avm228]

Hmmm...

Name: Robert Thomas Hollingsworth.
DOB: 23 May 1864 St,Giles, Middx.

Height: 5 feet 5/10
Hair: Lt brown
Eyes: Lt brown
Complexion: Fair

[avm228]

And Thomas RICHEY's description:

Ready to get a mental picture of our friend?

In 1914
Age 38 crossed out and changed to 42
Height 5'3"
Girth 40 inches
Weight 164 llbs
Blue eyes, grey hair
Tattoo on left wrist of cross and leaves
tattoo on right wrist of anchor

[DarrenMW]

i know,...my hope sank when i saw the eyes colour.
However, in the bigger picture, IF multiple pieces were in place, I wouldn't let simply a difference in eye colour negate all else.

If young Hollingsworth disappears from record, at the same time that Richey appears (and living with Catherine Hollingsorth in 1891), that is potentially strong circumstantial evidence.

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