Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

Jan - here's what I know about the Richey children (my Nan nad her siblings). Allexcept Robert were born in Brighton. Note that Thomas Richey names his 1st born son 'ROBERT THOMAS'!

Robert b.1915 Marylebone - died in Palestine when young man?
Marie b.1918 - lived in Brixton, died in the 90's I think. I went to funeral.
Clara b.1920 - My lovely Nan, just turned 90. Alive and well in SW London.
Edith b. 1921 - deceased
Rose b. 1922 - 'Rene', mother in law of 'JMB44'. Alive in SW London.
Aubrey b. 1924 -  Not 'Audrey' as listed on BDM. He moved to Canada.
Reginald b.1927- died 1931 in Brighton.
Ann  b.1927 - 'Theresa'. Alive, living in Ireland.
Muriel  b.1932 - deceased

I have more info that I will expand on via email, but not such how relevant much of their life history will be to you, and I just wanted to give you a brief rundown.


 

[beckton]

Thanks darren
I will add that to my tree.
Jan

[DarrenMW]

Its been a year,...shall we open up the 'Cold Case Files'??

Robert Smith aged 6 on 1871 census is as good a place as any to start.

right age, family, and place of birth (Holborn)

 

[beckton]

Hi Darren

At last you are back. Hope all is well. Did you get the Playbills i emailed you.

Yes i also think that Robert Smith and Thomas Richey are the same person. But who is the mother.? It would mean that our Grt Grandad had i fling with someone else while he was with Sarah Eliza as Bertha was born after Robert "Smith" and we know that Bertha was the daughter of Eliza Smith and Tom Hollingsworth. My god how confussing.
I wonder if there is anyone out there who knows any different.

I so wish we could solve this once and for all.

Bye for now Coz.

Jan     

 

[avm228]

Hello again - I'd (almost) forgotten about this quest!

Robert SMITH (6 in 1871) could have been borne by Isabella HOLLINGSWORTH before her (supposed) death in Dec qtr 1866 - has that death cert been obtained to confirm whether or not it's the right Isabella?

Also please could somebody remind me of the full details of Bertha's birth certificate? Was SMITH the maiden name given for her mother Eliza?

I'll try to post a bit of chronological round-up so that we can all see where we are.

[DarrenMW]

Thank you SO much,...it is wonderful to see you again. I can now appreciate how Elllington felt when he saw the Prussians ariving to render aid at Waterloo! 

Jan (Beckton) and i have remained in very close contact, and I have asked her to address the Bertha/Eliza question today.

Jan has worked endlessly in attempt to resolve this Richey riddle.

I'm headed to office now, but will be free this afternoon and evening.

Thanks again!

Darren

[avm228]

Here's a bit of chronology by way of round-up (which can be amended and added to of course).

BACKGROUND: EVENTS PRE-1850


1823 (22 Apr): Marriage at St Mary's, Portsea, Hants of Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH and Catherine SIDNEY

1823 (25 Jul): Baptism at St George, Bloomsbury of Isabella Matilda TAYLOR (born 24 May), daughter of James TAYLOR, stationer, and Sarah, of Holborn.

1827 (27 Jan): Baptism at St Michael's, Southampton of Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH, son of Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH and Catherine [Other baptisms to the same couple: Elizabeth on 13 Jun 1824 and Catherine Sarah on 6 or 16 November 1825]

EVENTS IN THE 1850S

1851 census
44 Seymour St, St Pancras, Middlesex: HO107/1496/299/51

Cathn HOLLINGSWORTH Head Widow 45 Hants Southampton
Elizh do Daur Unm 25 Teacher of music Hants Portsmouth
Cathn do Daur Unm 24 Teacher of music Hants Southampton
Thos R. do Son Unm 23 Teacher of music Hants Southampton

1852 (7 Nov): Marriage at Holy Trinity, Gray’s Inn Rd of Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, 25, dramatic artist, and Isabel TAYLOR, 24, both of Dyer’s Buildings, Holborn.  His father: Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, dramatic artist; her father James TAYLOR, bookseller.

1853 (21 Aug): Baptism at St George, Bloomsbury of Emily Sarah Louisa HOLLINGSWORTH (born 6 May), d/o Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH, bookbinder, and Isabella Matilda, of Warwick Square

1856 (15 Jun): Baptism at St Andrew, Holborn of Katharine Elizabeth HOLLINGSWORTH (born 1 Mar), d/o Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH, bookbinder, and Isabella Matilda, of Thavies Inn

1856 (Dec qtr): Birth reg of Eliza Hollingsworth WALKER, Strand

1859 (Mar qtr): Birth reg of Alice Ellen Hollingsworth WALKER, Strand

[DarrenMW]

on the 1911 census, Thomas Richey resides at 16,Maiden lane, London, WC2, occupying one 'flat'

He gives his relationship to head of household as 'son', but is only one listed.

That raises 3 points:

a) is his parent owner of the entire building, or merely the 'renter of the particular flat'?

b) was that parent just not home on census night?

c) Who is the parent? their name was be a huge breakthru

[avm228]

EVENTS IN THE 1860s

1860 (approx): Birth of Helen/Ellen HOLLINGSWORTH, Strand [not found]

1861 census (1)

1 Chain Chair Court, St. Clement Danes: RG9/180/45/35

Robert SMITH, 34, Printer's pressman b. Southampton
Eliza 25 bn Westminster
Eliza 4 bn Westminster
Alice 2 bn Westminster

1861 census (2)

15 Portugal St, St. Clement Danes: RG9/179/108/11

Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH Head M 34 Bookbinder b. Southampton
Isabella do Wife M 33 London
Emily 7 London
Katherine 5 London
Helen 1 London

1864 (23 May): Birth of Robert Thomas Hollingsworth WALKER, 10 Brookes Market, St Andrew Holborn - parents' details given as "Robert WALKER, comedian, and Eliza formerly PICKFORD".

1866 (Dec qtr): Death of Isabella HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn, aged 41 [identity confirmed from certificate.  Death was from ovarian cancer.]