Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

Ok, a little more info direct from my Nan (Richeys daughter)

She clearly remembers the affluent (odd as her husband Hollingsworth Snr dies in the Workhouse 1907)  Granny Hollingsworth coming to visit in Brighton, I have to assume this is Mary Hollingsworth (nee Hill).

It doesn't prove whether Thomas Richey was the biological son of Robert Hollingsworth, but it does further cement the link between to the family (not that I needed any additional convincing as i think a very strong connection has been established)

Richeys occupation listed on my Nans birth cert in 1920 is 'Theatrical Property maker' .

Per Nan he is a sublime carpenter and supplier of handmade childrens toys/dolls houses to toy shops in the region.

oddly, Nans 1942 marriage cert gives father name as Thomas WILLIAM Richey....

[DarrenMW]

1891 census

84, Brook St, Lambeth.

Robert J Smith, 26, chemist, b. Clement St Danes *
Frances W Smith, 21, wife
Eliza Smith, 65, mother
Mary Smith, 30, sister

1871 census

12, Crawford Pasage, Clerkenwell

Robert Smith, 44, bookbinder, b.Southampton
Eliza Smith, 35, wife
Emily, daug
Katherine, 15, daug
Eliza, 14, daugh
Alice, 12 , daug
Ellen, 10, daug
Robert, 6,son *
Bertha, 1, daug

* I was thinking this is the same Robert Smith. Age matches, mother matches, place of birth very likely matches.

but....

Jan found a 1865 birth cert for Robert J Smith, born 1865, Brook St, lambeth, son of father Robert Smith (labourer) and Eliza Smith

1881 census

102, Drury Lane, London

Robert Smith, 34, lodger, labourer **

** look like the father of the Brook St birth that Jan found?

I know there's a connection, here but ive got screaming kids and the vacuum cleaner all raging at once, so i'll have to come back to this.

help solicited 

[avm228]

Darren, as I said to you in my PM earlier today I think the 1891 Brook St household is much more likely to correspond with this 1871 household than with "your" SMITH family:

1871 census: RG10/118/90/27

3 Tufton St, Westminster

Thomas SMITH Head Mar 46 Ivory turner Middlesex Marylebone
Eliza do Wife Mar 45 Dressmaker Surrey Wimbledon
Thomas do Son Unm 11 Scholar St Clement Danes
Mary E do Daur Unm 9 Scholar St Clement Danes
Robert John do Son Unm 6 Scholar St Clement Danes

& his marriage:

Dec qtr 1890

Robert John SMITH
Frances Winifred MARRIOTT

St Geo Han Sq 1a 867

[DarrenMW]

We are just checking and double checking every potential.

per 1871 census...Robert Smith and Eliza

I know Smith and Hollingsworths info is an identical match, but if anyone can separate Smith and Hollingsworth into two people,.....that would be really cool 

[beckton]

I have found a Robert James Smith born 1827 Southampton who wed Eliza Nichols who was born in 1846 ion the 05/04/1857 in st Giles Cripplegate City of London and a daughter Eliza born the year after,

Could thomas hollingsworth and robert Smith be two different people, could they be related in some way.
Help this is giving me a bad headache.
Jan

[avm228]

I have found a Robert James Smith born 1827 Southampton who wed Eliza Nichols who was born in 1846 ion the 05/04/1857 in st Giles Cripplegate City of London and a daughter Eliza born the year after,

Jan, this confuses me.

I see a Robert J. SMITH b Southampton, unmarried and lodging in Whitechapel (as a plasterer) in 1861. He is aged 32 in 1861, suggesting a birthdate of about 1829. [RG9/272/99/24].

I also see a marriage of (bachelor) Robert James SMITH to Eliza NICHOLAS at St Giles Cripplegate on 5 April 1857.  This Robert is aged 20 at marriage, suggesting a birthdate of 1836-37. His occupation is warehouseman.

Surely they are not the same person? (And neither of them can be the same person as the Robert SMITH we think is Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH in disguise - as below in 1861):

RG9 180 45 35

1 Chain Court, St Clement Danes

Robert Smith 34 Printer's pressman bn Southampton
Eliza 25 bn Westminser
Eliza 4 bn Westm.
Alice 2 bn Westm.

[DarrenMW]

Jan - thanks for the copy of the 1857 wedding entry.

it shows Eliza as 16, so i think you may accidently put 1846 instead of 1840/1841?

it shows
Robert as 20
Eliza as 16

[DarrenMW]

for the first time since we began this search for Thomas Richey, I am beginning to feel a little disheartened about it.

It is really frustrating me, as I have no idea where to turn next.

I am all fired up to put in some elbow grease to make some progress, but not a clue about which direction to go now.

So many of you have been great helps, and I am truly grateful for all that you've done.

 

[OneBigFamily]

Re Reply #147

Having trouble digesting all the pages of talk at this point, and don't think I can be of much help, but just wanted to point out that the Bertha Selina Walker Hollingsworth on Ancestry trees was apparently born on 21 Mar 1870 - Holborn, Middlesex, England

to parents:

Thomas Robert Hollingsworth ("born in Southampton 21 Jan 1827")
and
SARAH Eliza Smith ("born Sep 1856 in London")

(This tree details Birtha's descendants)

I'm not sure if this information has already been thrown into the pot.

JUST ADDED LATER:
Ooops... Sorry -  see now that it had been thrown in!