Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

Jan - thanks for sharing the stories about Robert Hollingsworth (senior, shall we call him) acting, i enjoy reading about it and will come back to that as soon as I finish cross referencing all the great info on extended family you provided.


I just didn't want you to think i was ignoring those stories,........

do you have any idea about Robert Hollingsworth (the b.1827 one) lodging with the Morrison family in Newcastle, Co.Durham in 1881 under the alias Thomas Hollingsworth (listed as actor, correct age, Southampton)?

great to have you involved on this site Jan!
 

[DarrenMW]

Do you mean you HAVE the certs for Robert Smith and Mary/Cecelia, or were you asking if i do?

I don't have birth cert for either yet,....

 Robert Smith (b.1865) but if it listed anywhere I will absolutely get it!.....he is certainly a loose end that needs tying up.

[beckton]

No
I was asking you if you had the certs as i cannot find them anywhere. I have pulled off Thomas Richey WW1 records.
Jan

[beckton]

I have the 1881 census and Thomas/Robert Hollingsworth (or Tom) was living with my Gran in Middlesex with all the children. where was Thomas richey in 1881

[avm228]

In 1881 I'm certain the Robert Smith living with Eliza, is the same person as the Robert Hollingsworth living round the corner with Isabella.
Isabella dies, and Mr.Hollingsworth/Smith moves the 3 girls (Emily, Katherine, Ellen) in with Eliza.  Does anyone disagree?

I agree, except that I think you mean 1861

[DarrenMW]

 i do indeed mean 1861 Anna...thanks 

In 1881 I'm certain the Robert Smith living with Eliza, is the same person as the Robert Hollingsworth living round the corner with Isabella.
Isabella dies, and Mr.Hollingsworth/Smith moves the 3 girls (Emily, Katherine, Ellen) in with Eliza.  Does anyone disagree?

I agree, except that I think you mean 1861

[DarrenMW]

Jan-

in 1881, I have Thomas Hollingsworth (age 53) Mary (age 24) living at 28, Northampton St with Bertha, Edward, Cecilia(?) and Richard.

Hopefully thats what you have, right?

That makes perfect sense, but the strange 1881 Newcastle census listing as Thomas Hollingsworth (actor, 54, Southampton) is confusing us.


maybe it is simply that he being truthful and he moved (for work???) between the census enumerator calling at the London address and then on a different day at the Newcastle address. 

We are not sure where Thomas Richey is in 1881 - it is strange he not listed on the census anywhere, ...at least not with that name!

as you know from his military papers he joined the army, Queens (West Surrey) Regmt in 1883


One earlier post (by LIZ?) shed some doubt on his age, as we had the age '38' being crossed out and '42' inserted on some military papers ....we should check what year that was...

I have the 1881 census and Thomas/Robert Hollingsworth (or Tom) was living with my Gran in Middlesex with all the children. where was Thomas richey in 1881

[avm228]

We are not sure where Thomas Richey is in 1881 - it is strange he not listed on the census anywhere, ...at least not with that name!

...unless he is the 14-yr-old Thomas RICHEY listed in Middlesbrough in 1881 with his widowed mother Mary (see reply #66 above).

[DarrenMW]

yep, good point Anna - I also remain very intrigued by the Middlesboro potential.

It would explain the name, the omission from any Hollingsworth census returns and most probably the Catholic religion. Also that boy was born 1866 or 1867.

I wish we could verify Thomas Richey age

reply #121 (liz) shows on 9.9.1914 Thomas Richey gives an age of 42 years 48 days...which  equates to a July 24 1872 DOB

reply #123 (liz) shows in 1921 he is giving his YOB as 1868

His 1915 marriage and 1914 army enlistment both give his age as 46...equating to a likely 1868 YOB

In 1891 census his age is given as 25, meaning a 1865/66 YOB thanks Anna   

In 1911 census he is listed as 46 giving YOB of 1964/65

Death cert in 1938 aged 73 gives YOB as 1864/65

Now, what about that Robert Smith boy...